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Jun 15 11 11:28 AM
*I know its only Abeloth trying to fool the crims on the space station, but when they said that she (Abeloth) said Vestara was a Jedi, I died a little on the inside. I died some more when Ben made a joke about it. I kind of actually hope Mara is rolling in her grave, because I highly suspect the Skywalkers will take one final trip to theh Lake of Apparitions in Apocalypse, and I want Mara to verbally smackdown Ben.
*Tahiri kicked ALL THEIR ASSES in prison. I lol'ed. And fist-pumped the air. And then I basked in her badassery.
*RAYNAR AND KYP SCENE FOR THE WIN. Two characters that really do need and deserve more screentime. I appreciate FOTJ's continued Raynar presence, even if it is just one scene per novel. Yes, I want more, but I'll take what I can get.
*Wyn Dorvan winning the All-Star Sabacc tournament. I lol'ed.
*Seha Dorvald as Jedi Knight. YAY. Now, please don't unceremoniously kill her off and/or severely decrease her screentime. We NEED to keep building the cast, not cutting it down.
*Nam Chorios. Excellence. And I love that the NR and GA are taking this shavit seriously and have a series of Golan Defense Platforms stationed there. I really want this book to give Nam Chorios and Planet of Twilight legitimacy for other readers as I wish people appreciated them more. I hope this book does that. I really want it to.
*Back up to Tahiri. I head-desked when she gets into a fight with that Hutt and breaks his arm. Hutts don't have fricken skeletons, so I really can't comprehend how she breaks his arm. Hutts are like jelly, you literally CAN'T break jelly. You can chop it up or squash it or eat it, but you can't break it.
*Allston isn't trying to make Daala seem like a likable, personable, sane, decent strategist or politician. HE HAS SEEN THE LIGHT. I am thankful that at long last people are not pretending Daala is Gilad Pellaeon-lite. She's back to her KJA personality, baby, yeah!
*Did you see what Tahiri did there (Hutt anatomy notwithstanding)? It was pretty awesome.
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Jun 15 11 6:54 PM
Perhaps someone should ask Leia if you can choke jelly to death?
By the ending of this book, Vestara is all but baptized as a Jedi.
What did you think of the paragraph talking about Raynar was all experienced as a Jedi and such during that scene?
Jun 15 11 8:16 PM
I don't have issue with it, like I recall reading you did, Iurus. Sure, he's been assimilated by the Borg... poor man's Borg Killiks for a number of years, but we have to recall he was experienced BEFORE that. He went on Jedi missions. He defeated bad guys. He saved lives. He studied the Force and graduated as a Knight. We also have to remember his actions at the Crash. He saved Lomi and Welk even after all they did and all they cost him. Other characters - including Luke and Jacen - point out that this is pretty much the Epitome of Jedi Knighthood, and we also see a couple of other characters (Mara and Jaina) commenting how they would've let the bad guys burn. So while Raynar has indeed been out of commission for a while, he doesn't automatically lose all that experience. It's like when a general or admiral or something (imagine Wedge Antilles) retires like half a dozen times, but is then recommissioned or returns to the service. They still have that experience. Its doesn't vanish into the ether. So no, I had no problem with it. I thought it was a fantastic bit of recall. Me, biased? Yes. But its still the truth.
*Um... where is Jaina? Oh yeah, she had one line in a senior Jedi meeting. Whaaaat. The. Kriiiiiiiff?
*Senator Treen, Moff Lecersen and co. I lol'ed. Between Backlash and this, they are into some hardcore LARPing and RPGing. It makes their ultra-sinister conspiracy all the more creepy and weird (in a great way.) Moff Lecersen on the comm: "Oh hey guys, we need the next round of our clandestine conspiracy to end galactic civilisation as we know it. ...LARP time?"
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Jun 15 11 10:12 PM
MrNomAnor wrote: *THERAN LISTENERS. Being awesome. Its great to see a Force group that don't a) rip into the Jedi for everything they do (even if they have valid points) b) being evil c) using the Force for either exclusively attack, defense or to be superpowered X-Men. To use it mostly for healing or spirit soothing is something unique, and I think something we need to see more of. I am utterly convinced that Jacen learned their vein routing technique. Technically speaking, I think the authors will retcon their asses of by using this to explain why Jacen goes the entirety of LOTF without referencing or even thinking of the Dark Man given how apocalyptic and universe-altering Jacen seems to think he is/was as retconned by FOTJ. I smell a retcon coming, whereby Jacen used the Vein Routing on himself (or got the Listeners to do it for him) and they ripped out all the memories he had of the coming Dark Man and only left the strange sense of a coming apocalypse in his brain. Retcons..... I smell one on the way.
Jun 15 11 10:34 PM
Jun 16 11 1:35 AM
*SNAPLAUNCE makes an appearance. Or, as I called him by default when I read Planet of Twilight, Snapplesauce. I can't believe (in a good way) that Allston revisited him! While being awesome, it does highlight how off his game I perceive him to have been in Backlash. But still no Jacen mentions. WHATEVER.*Enjoying the Theran Listener meeting. Their local leader -though I will have to check for his name... I forgot - seems like an interesting fellow.*SHIP! I love that he has no proper name. Everyone just rolls with "Ship." I really wonder if they are going to do anything substantially lasting with him... maybe he ends up becoming Ben's personal ship.... er.... vessel.... you know what I mean.*Jaina and Jag scene! But wait.... they're kinda retreading ground they've already walked. So each of them has to keep secrets (Jedi or Imperial) but now they have actually agreed that they will have to do this and they'll just have to compartmentalise this in the bigger picture of their relationship. OMG just wake me up in time for the wedding ceremony plz. Jaina and Jag should be way more dynamic than this, both as individual characters and as a couple. WHAT. HAPPENED? And from Allston, the man who should be writing the heck out of them? Hhhmmm.*Daala, back in (JAT) style. Now all they have to do is kill her off.*Seha went on a date. MrNomAnor approves of this recurring character development.*VOTE SNAPLAUNCE. Oh, how I laughed.*Bandy Geffer. CrapLame name, awesome minor recurring character.
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Jun 16 11 2:47 PM
MrNomAnor wrote: He seems to have learned all his memory-related trickery from the Fallanassi, but then Luke makes a point of saying something like, "Akanah never taught me any of those. It seems too invasive for the Fallanassi anyway," but then Jacen is all, "Yeah... whatever" and Luke acts like he never asked. <snip>*SHIP! I love that he has no proper name. Everyone just rolls with "Ship." I really wonder if they are going to do anything substantially lasting with him... maybe he ends up becoming Ben's personal ship.... er.... vessel.... you know what I mean.
<snip>*SHIP! I love that he has no proper name. Everyone just rolls with "Ship." I really wonder if they are going to do anything substantially lasting with him... maybe he ends up becoming Ben's personal ship.... er.... vessel.... you know what I mean.
Jun 16 11 3:48 PM
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Jun 18 11 10:44 PM
and what's more it progressed all of these storylines
Jun 18 11 11:00 PM
Luke and Co: No change in situation from Vortex.
Abeloth: No change in situation from Vortex other than a comm call. Yes, Callista was killed (for a second time this series) and Abeloth was hurt (for a second time) but story-wise adding on slightly more of something does not a difference make. Yoda says "After 900 years, the timespan between ESB and ROTJ not long, hmmm"
Tahiri: If this is where she was going, her entire plot in this book was pointless. She might as well have sat in prison with no trial and then escaped. In other words, it's an announcement that half of the last book, and the cover to this one, were filler.
Jag and Jaina: Absolutely nothing. They could have been completely absent from this book for all the good it did. Tyria Sarkin had more of a role than her.
Ben and Vestara: Nothing changed from Vortex other than more of the worst possible direction of it being obvious Vestara wants to be a Jedi and will end up Ben's teenage bride.
Outcast plot device things: Still not explained
Lost Tribe invasion plans: same situation as Omen.
Jun 19 11 1:25 AM
Luke's exile has officially ended. He can return to Coruscant. He can get reinforcements from the Jedi without having to do so in clandestine and arguably illegal means. He can now openly talk with the Jedi without breaking the terms of his exile. He has dealt another blow to Abeloth, which leads to...
Callista has been freed from Abeloth. She has moved on to Heaven/the Other Side/the afterlife. This seems to have dealt Abeloth a harder blow than before given that Callista was her dominant personality. And as Abeloth herself said, without Callista's mitigating presence, she won't be tiptoeing around Luke anymore. I expect we will see her unleash her full Cthullu powers without Callista's essence to pull her back. Abeloth has now also formally joined up with the Lost Sith against Luke, their common enemy. The last of the Shelter Jedi - the Horns - have been freed from Abeloth's influence, leaving no Jedi (that we know of) still under her thrall.
If nothing else, they agreed that they have to keep their respective secrets from each other, but they're going to compartmentalise this issue of their relationship so it doesn't interfere with anything else.
They were Celestial (probably) monitoring equipment. Monitoring the Maw/Abeloth's prison. This was explained in Outcast?
Except now they have Abeloth
Furthermore, they are actively seeking to kill off the Jedi Queen, and in the absence of that, kill off Tenel Ka since Taalon's report has given the Lost Sith intel that she and the Jedi Queen physically look similar.
If Qerden Dei can figure out that Tenel Ka and Allana are related from his mission on Klatooine, then it stands to reason that other Lost Sith assigned to this project can figure it out also.
Jun 19 11 9:46 PM
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