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Dancelittleewok	In Defense Of....Who Shot first?		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1069 May 15 10 4:21 AM	Tags : None Remove this ad This month I will be discussing ANH's Han vs. Greedo scene. Edited 1 time by Dancelittleewok May 17 10 11:01 PM.
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Iurus		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10578 May 15 10 11:20 PM	In Defense of…Who shot first? by Dancelittleewok, on May 15, 2010, at 11:00 pm. Category: In Defense Of, Original Trilogy Era, Regular Features. Star Wars has not been without controversy even from its beginning, whether it be Luke and Leia’s kiss or the destruction of Alderaan. In my column, I will strive to defend its controversial authors, ideas, or characters–to the best of my ability. My intent is to bring these issues to light and see the rationale behind them. This month’s case is ANH’s Han vs. Greedo scene. Who really shot first? Click the link to find out… (Read More…) Man in Black Reviews (http://ManInBlackReviews.WordPress.com) Peace is a lie, there is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory, my chains are Broken.
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LovetheDarkSide		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 131 May 15 10 11:36 PM	Lucas ruined that scene when he made the special edition. When I first saw the film, it showed that Han was a scoundrel. When I watch the SE now, that element is completely gone. That one scene set Han's character and it was subsequently ruined.
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BobaKareu		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3302 May 15 10 11:57 PM	Actually, Han shooting second makes him a better character. It's just that the special effects utilized to make him shoot second were shoddy, so the scene looks dumb. If they clean it up and make it believeable for the next DVD release, I think a lot of complaints about Han no longer being a cold-blooded killer will fade away. Through the Cracks... the blog. You may also know me as VileZero, EUCantina.net's content editor and writer of the EU Action Reaction column.
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Iurus		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10578 May 16 10 12:35 AM	Dance noticed what I did: if Greedo was that bad a shot, and Han shot him anyway... he's a lot more callous than he was in the original. Man in Black Reviews (http://ManInBlackReviews.WordPress.com) Peace is a lie, there is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory, my chains are Broken.
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MrNomAnor		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13966 May 16 10 6:01 AM	Lucas ruined that scene when he made the special edition. When I first saw the film, it showed that Han was an umitigated badass. When I watch the SE now, that element is completely gone. That one scene set Han's character and it was subsequently ruined. Fixed. Actually, Han shooting second makes him a better character. It's just that the special effects utilized to make him shoot second were shoddy, so the scene looks dumb. If they clean it up and make it believeable for the next DVD release, I think a lot of complaints about Han no longer being a cold-blooded killer will fade away. Does not compute. Greedo is sitting no more than one metre away from Han aiming a gun at him. What, is Han just supposed to sit there and let himself get shot? Er... no. If someone is pointing a gun in your face and you shoot at them, its self-defense. The whole issue regarding Greedo shooting first is ridiculous. Greedo just looks like a total putz loser because he is sitting like, two feet away from Han and TOTALLY MISSES ALTOGETHER. His blaster bolt hits he wall way above Han's head, almost at roof level. Its completely stupid. Its actually laughable. It just totally takes any sort of credibility away from Greedo. And that has a ripple effect, because it makes Jabba look like a lousy Mafia boss for hiring a bounty hunter with all the co-ordination of a three year old.
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anakinsoloII		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3661 May 16 10 9:03 AM	Maybe he was drunk. They were at the cantina. "Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange."
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BobaKareu		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3302 May 16 10 1:23 PM	MrNomAnor wrote: And that has a ripple effect, because it makes Jabba look like a lousy Mafia boss for hiring a bounty hunter with all the co-ordination of a three year old. But... Jabba IS a lousy Mafia boss. RotJ establishes that. Through the Cracks... the blog. You may also know me as VileZero, EUCantina.net's content editor and writer of the EU Action Reaction column.
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skuldren		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 528 May 16 10 2:58 PM	Yeah, if Jabba the Hutt was skilled mafia boss, he wouldn't have hired Boba Fett as his bodyguard but would have instead opted for some Ewoks. They captured Han AND Luke, plus took out a battalion of heavily armed Stormtroopers.
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Uliah		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6488 May 16 10 5:05 PM	Remove this ad I don't remember which book it was but there's a background in it about the whole Jabba hiring Greedo to hunt down Han that's pretty plausible. Everybody and their brother on Tatooine warns Han that Greedo is looking for him. Han knows that Jabba hiring Greedo means this is just a warning and Jabba's not serious about the bounty or he would have hired Boba Fett. Along with everyone else Jabba knows how inept Greedo is and he pretty much expects Han to fry him. Hence the added scene at the MF between Jabba and Han. You notice how broken up Jabba is over Greedo's death. LOL
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TalonKarrdeReturns		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 124 May 16 10 5:13 PM	While I can understand why Lucas changed the scene, making Han the ultimate good guy by not shooting first, the reality of the situation was that the scene was much better the way it originally played out. We knew Han was planning on having to shoot Greedo as soon as he started unhooking his blaster. The philosophy of a good smuggler can roughly be summed up as a dead smuggler is no good to anyone. Another philosophy: what use is a reward if you aren't around to spend it. There is no doubt in my mind that Han fired at Greedo first to make completely certain he came out on top of the situation. By letting Greedo fire first, Han would have been taking a large risk, hoping that Greedo was a lousy shot. If it were me, with a gun pointing straight at me, I'd definitely shoot first and to blazes what anyone thought about me. For all things entertainment, visit G-POP.net.G-POP: Welcome to our world! Like us at Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/pages/G-POPnet/276123499147368
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PrincessXion		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1265 May 16 10 6:58 PM	To me, Han has ALWAYS shot first I ignored the special edition scene on my DVD. Han is not the ultimate good guy, he is selfish and was going to leave with his money before the end. He is the anti-hero but this is why we love him ! That scene gives his character an edge and the special edition took that away. I think he is a little callous in the first film but this is part of his character too, "I'm in it for the money". I never thought of Han as cold blooded. I do not think it cold-blooded to shoot someone who clearly would shot you... it is you or them. Edited 1 time by PrincessXion May 16 10 7:24 PM.
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LovetheDarkSide		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 131 May 16 10 11:44 PM	Amen, Princess. I couldn't have said it better. And in honor of this thread, I broke out my original-cut DVD and enjoyed the scene as it should be.
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jedidjokovic		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 40 Nov 8 11 9:59 PM	Han shot first, and not because he's a murderer, but because Greedo was there to kill him- it was self-defense whether he shoots first or second... And it's SO much cooler when he fires first. Definitely the version I will always consider canon.
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VileZero		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 312 Nov 11 11 7:05 PM	In the Blu Ray, it's been changed again so that they essentially shoot at the same time. Still looks very awkward, but at least it doesn't look as lame as the "Greedo shot first" version. Glad to see these topics are still generating some discussion after so much time! Once we get back into a steady flow of content, this is definitely near the top of my list of columns to have someone revisit and revitalize.
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jedidjokovic		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 40 Nov 12 11 1:33 AM	Looking forward to reading it! This is one of those topics that everyone feels passionately about (my mom is a big "Han shot second" proponent: she just can't have a hero who strikes pre-emptively) and all the different versions, if nothing else, give a perspective on it to fit everyone's preferred order of shooters.
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Dancelittleewok		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1069 Mar 16 12 4:35 AM	Glad you joined my old column, jedidjokovic! To be or not to be. Or both. Or neither.
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Grand Admiral Thrawn		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 341 Jun 25 12 7:53 PM	Remove this ad It's been said, so I won't beat a dead horse (too much). It makes Han a more interesting character if he goes from being the kind of guy who is just in it for himself (the kind of guy who would shoot first) to being the guy who comes back at the end to see Luke safely down the trench run. And even then, Greedo leveled a blaster at him, and was ready to kill Han if need be. It was straight-up western politics: kill or be killed, making Han's shot in self defense anyway. And even then, you have to consider that if Greedo didn't just take a blaster bolt to the chest, and if his gun is pointed at Han (which it totally is), then the only way to miss would be to deliberately point the gun away and then fire. Which makes about 0 sense. Also, Uliah brings up a good in universe explination to bolster Han's actions: in the last book of the Han Solo Adventures (which ends with Han in the Mos Eisley cantina while Chewie goes to talk to some old dude looking for a ride), Han is warned Greedo is looking for him for dumping a load of spice he was delivering for Jabba. Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina also has a short story or two which touch on that as well, I believe (though I'm not certain off the top of my head). So he knew the score from the start when Greedo walked over (Greedo also straight up says he's there because of Han dumping the spice, so there is 0 justification for Han not knowing what would come if he didn't take care of Greedo).
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