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His meeting with Jacen in DW was more emotional from his partthan Jacen's meeting with his parents. In that scene Luke called Jacen "son".
Granted, Jacen isn’t the same as before (hint: it’s called character development) but damaged enough to consider Sith hood is the only option to save Allana and achieve world peace, after fighting against Dark Jedi like Brakiss and Tamith Kai and years of Jedi indoctrination.
Feb 22 10 4:07 PM
BobaKareu wrote:One thing that I think a lot of people forget about when discussing why
Luke didn't try to redeem Jacen, though, is simply that Jacen killed
Mara. He killed Luke's wife. He killed the woman he loved, the mother
of his child. None of the other enemies that Luke faced came anywhere
close to that kind of personal attack and were able to pull it off
successfully. And though we might say, "Well that's not very Jedi-like
of Luke," I think Luke Skywalker would be the first to admit that he is
not the ultimate paradigm of what a Jedi should be.
The reason Luke doesn't face Jacen in person is because he is afraid of
the turn to the dark side, due to the personal nature involving Mara's
death. But even despite that, he still sanctions another Jedi to obtain
the same outcome. And I think it is a decision that will, in the
future, taint Luke. I find that there is little difference between
ordering someone killed and pulling the trigger oneself.
Banania wrote:While I can understand the reasons why Luke didn't try to redeem Jacen,
due to the personal injuries he received from Jacen's actions, I still
think we should have seen much more of the relationship between Luke
Rouge77 wrote: what we have seen of Denning in lately, he won't perhaps think that there is something to solve, to
bring into conclusion here and I don't see any movement that would bring forth reconciliation of some sort between Luke
and Jacen's spirit and Jacen's spirit and his other relatives in FotJ 9. Instead, I feel that we will get the exact opposite, if
this issue will be dealt with in any future novel in the current series
or beyond it, at least if Denning will be the driving force
behind it. Reconciliation would be OT thing, Denning is taking SW to quite different kind of direction.
MrNomAnor wrote:I disagree with this point. It's character development if it works for
the character and storyline (even if the development is a bad event
happening to them), and brings to them something we haven't seen
before. The way Jacen's fall was portrayed is not character
development: it was anti-development. The idea itself could've been a
goldmine, but the way it came about was sloppy. And that is why it
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Very good article, Dancelittleewok ^___^ (and I love your name ! )
I loved Jacen. He is my favorite fictional character, my hero, my first crush (yes really ) He means a lot to me. His death is very sad for me and I'm still to get over that he is dead I don't have a problem also, with Jacen falling. In my opinion Jaina is the more logical choice, but yes I can see Jacen falling. He has always been in my opinion different and an outcast of sort. He also believes what he does is right and nobody else knows how/can do the right thing. He did suffer a lot, not just that at Vergere, but the loss of Anakin, his friends, their innocence and stability. Even if you can survive an experience and become stronger for it, I think there still must be a wound from where it was originally made. I imagine a terrible experience can be overcome in time, but not complete forgotten. His character was much changed since Traitor, but even before that since he develops from unwilling to kill a living creature, to killing when it is necessary. He still keeps his pacifist values, but is a step further. Killing when necessary lead even further to killing when it would help/prevent a situation. His justification for this is saving innocent lives. However it is to the point where it is not clear if what he is trying to prevent would happen.I suppose you can say he has been walking to the dark side for a long time. I can see him making the deal with Lumiya to protect Luke, but... I didn't understand why he had to murder Nelani for that.I wish he had just stayed like in dark nest, he was a little creepy... but gray area characters is interesting. Cackling cartoon villians that get their arse kicked repeatedly by the disadvantaged heros is painful to read The worst thing is, from what I read it isn't even a fair fight. Jacen has all the advantages and he still gets his arse handed to him everytime. That is why I have been so hesitant to starting this series I really don't understand how the relationship of Luke to Jacen became so bad. In Dark Nest Luke is so trusting of Jacen, and they seems like very good friends. He is horrified when he thinks Jacen might be dead (in TSW I think) Now Luke hates Jacen and everything he does... and Jacen isn't evil yet. In Betrayal after Jacen's car was hit by a bomb, and he and Mara are waiting for his name on the screen showing the dead. When Jacen is ok, Luke thinks more like "he is showing off" not "thank god he's alive". I thought that was very strange (and horrible)So from the book point of view, Jacen is a Sith and nobody knows... so why has Luke a reason to hate him ? (unless the authors is forget he is not meant to know)When Jacen came back in dark nest, Luke has not seen him for 5 years, Jacen has changed. So he is a much different person. I think to look at it from Luke's point of view, Jacen is now a very different man that Luke does not recognize. Some things Jacen did in that books made Luke not trust him, but at this point he does not hate him, as he seems in lotf to not just lose the trust, he wants nothing to do with Jacen. I wonder why if the impression is meant to be that Luke does not trust him, he lets Jacen train Ben However, he is used to the new Jacen quick in Dark Nest, when he asks for his advice. Actaully I think there is much bad characterization of Luke as much as Jacen. Apparantly it is forgotten that they love and respect each other.Another problem is , it is often said Jacen is the most powerful Jedi/Sith, can not be beaten... but I also hear he is beaten up a lot It is not giving the impression he is very strong. I also hate that he sounds like a madman, not like creepy insane like Alema Rar, but like the cackling cartoon villian. I suppose if he can justify murdering and torturing people then yes, he is mad. I wish it was more consistent with his character.I understand Luke does not want to redeem Jacen because he murdered his wife, tortured his son, slept with his ex-girlfriend that last was a joke, but serious, I don't imagine Luke would want Jacen back with the Jedi. May be he wanted him dead ?If Jacen did change so much then I agree something has been missing and we need another chapter, just for clarification to all Jacen's fans. we need to know why whhhhyyyyyyy did this happen Wooooow that's long post. sorry. I have more opinion about it than I realize. And I have not read most the books yet (I read Bloodlines first and start to read Betrayal)
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So from the book point of view, Jacen is a Sith and nobody knows... so why has Luke a reason to hate him ? (unless the authors is forget he is not meant to know)
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Feb 24 10 1:12 AM
MrNomAnor wrote:So from the book point of view, Jacen is a Sith and nobody knows... so why has Luke a reason to hate him ? (unless the authors is forget he is not meant to know) Lulz. At the risk of giving you a faceful of spoilers, Xion, just wait until Revelation.In the opening chapters, Jaina and Ben refer to Jacen as a Sith and act as if they have always realised he has been a Sith. Cut to the final chapters of the book where they actually find out Jacen is a Sith and act like they never knew.
Feb 24 10 1:29 AM
jason1206 wrote:Jecen Solo death was not needed and they took out the best charactor in the the Expanded universe. The authors made him quick to react and no slow developement was used. If we saw his trepidation like in the begining of the New Jedi Order it may have worked.
It was a clossal mistake to kill Jacen Solo and it left a void that can not be filled! Now they have this phantom plaque that may or may not be Jacen Solo. Lets see some creative scienc fiction that takes the star wars universe and preserves what made it special. The good guys win and our lead charactors do not die! Bring back Jacen, Maria, Anakin, and of course Chewie.
It can be done just needs some creative writting. Yes, my beliefs will not be seen popular! Why does story writting always have to contain death for death's sake. Lets just get back down to good old battles with the charactor's we love beating the enemies. That is what made the New Jedi Order so good. It was black and white. Forget this civil war junk. Bring in new villians and exploration of the Star Wars Universe
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Well with the rift in the stories can anyone say that Legacy of the Force or Fate of the Jedi was anywhere nearly as enjoyable as The New Jedi Order! No way new problems! New enemies! The only issue was that Luke could have been more of a leader! But even that was not as bad as Jacen Solo turning from the best and most interesting character into "Darth Maniac". Re-read NJO and you will laugh at the new story lines. And let's not forget about the about the line Jacen took to make himself in traitor. Vergere was not a simple character and neither was Jacen Solo. For him to die was just dreadful. And resurrection is the key to keeping story lines going! Uncanny X-men 137 with the death of Jean Grey! It worked bringing her back all we need are fresh writtersssssssssssss!
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