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My review of Outcast has been added to the front page!! Discuss it here!! The link goes directly to the full review.
Last Edited By: corax 03/29/09 12:16 PM.
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Kirr Mistwelder |
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Great review corax. I just finished up Outcast myself, and thought I'd post some of my opinions here.
In some ways, Allston does a great job of bringing up ideas that the fans have been talking about all over message boards not only since the end of LotF but from even before that. To those people who argued 'Kyp got a free pass but Jacen didn't' - that's brought up. The mess that was Tahiri in LotF is brought into focus in Outcast (ironic since it was Fury that ignored her) and she brings up numerous arguments (Han and Leia's parenting, why Jacen fell) that fans have been talking about. If ever I was to guess at an author who reads message boards, I'd guess Allston does. At the same time, I'm feeling only ok about Outcast. Unlike DJ (who mentioned this in one of the other review threads) I felt like there wasn't enough of a BIG THREAT in this novel. We've had a number of smaller novels since Invincible (Millenium Falcon and Shadows of Mindor come to mind) - I wanted FotJ to begin the next BIG arc. I loved Betrayal because it was HUGE. So much going on in that book - a rocking start to the new series. Outcast in comparison feels like a slow burn, almost a book prologue to the rest of the series. While the Force sickness could be a big deal, it's not enough of a big deal in Outcast. Yes Valin's plight is well done, and I agree with corax, I really felt for him, at the same time, this should have ramped up by the end of the book with an entire outbreak, multiple Jedi contracting the disease. There's an odd bounty hunter working for the government who carries a lightsaber that isn't a Jedi - is she a Sith? Again, who knows. While I understand holding some things back for future novels, some hint as to her ultimately affiliation would have raised the threat level of this novel - even if it was in the final pages (think of the scenes from Phantom Menace when Maul talks to Sidious "we shall have our revenge" - that's the kind of thing that I feel like this book should have had). Instead it all feels a little random. Yes I love what's going on with Jaina and Jag, though I find it a little odd that Jag can escape from his duties as Head of the Galactic Empire so easily to play bounty-hunter. Yes, I'm sure the stuff they're doing (capturing Seff to give the Jedi a chance to figure out what's going on with Valin) connects to the Luke/Ben plot - but it also seems very similar to what Jaina and Jag were doing in most of LotF (namely, tracking down Alema Rar). I did like that things are not being made easy for the Jedi - the observers (and especially the reintroduction of Tarc) was a good plot point, made for some good tension. The government isn't exactly on their side, but they're not full out enemies of the state either. Still, I can see how this can lead to the future we've seen in the Legacy comic. The Han/Leia/Allana stuff... oh how I wanted to enjoy this. But honestly, it felt like a drag to me. There were some hints that there's a connection between Kessel and Centerpoint - so again, those fans who wanted closure on what happened after Centerpoint blew, we may still get that in FotJ. But again, not enough about it in this novel. Celestials were mentioned, but I'd have liked a bigger hint that there are things to come, that there is in fact some connection between this story and the rest (perhaps the descendants of the Celestials are another Force group Luke and Ben will visit, providing a connection - but I'm just making that up, it's just something I would have liked to have gotten a hint about). Yes, ultimately I liked how Allston introduced the rag tag group of pilots - and even gave us updated descriptions of some of them as well as their families, but even then, I felt like the space piloting wasn't as exciting as it could have been. Why not have the thing go to hell - like the bogeys figure out what they're doing and start detonating the planet, so it's crashing all around the pilots as they try to improvise a new plan while avoiding collapsing tunnels, etc. It all just felt rather tame. I did like seeing Lando and Tendra and Chance (and Lando needs a cover in this series as well as a big role), and I did like the omnious voice talking to Allana - I do suspect there's more to be learned on Kessel still (the avians and the pyramids are at the top of my list of connections to the bigger story). Without Luke and Ben retracing Jacen's footsteps, I swear there wouldn't be a story in FotJ (at least as given to us so far in Outcast). This is the glue that holds this story together, and like corax I felt it was the best part of the book. I looked forward to getting back to them each time the story moved away from them. Ben has some great fight scenes, and Luke has a pretty good one himself. Ben shows a lot of the analytical side (and the 'getting to the point' side) of his mother. I see real character progression here, someone who acts like a teenager at times, and a little wiser beyond his years at other times due to what he's been through in LotF. As before Outcast, I'm looking forward the most to their continuing journey in FotJ. So ultimately, I liked Outcast. It's not my favorite Allston novel, it's also not my least favorite of his. I wanted to really like it, so I'm finding myself mildly disappointed - and yet I have no real reason to feel that way. I think it has more to do with my expectations after Betrayal (one of my favorite Star Wars books ever) being set too high, because in all seriousness, Outcast is a good novel. And I'm seriously looking forward to reading Omen.
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Iurus |
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Again, who knows. While I understand holding some things back for future novels, some hint as to her ultimately affiliation would have raised the threat level of this novel - even if it was in the final pages (think of the scenes from Phantom Menace when Maul talks to Sidious "we shall have our revenge" - that's the kind of thing that I feel like this book should have had). Instead it all feels a little random. They did refer to a Jedi she might have known, when Googled her.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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corax |
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I think the main reson why I liked this novel so much is that for me it brought back the feeling of seeing A New Hope for the first time. Outcast really had
that sense of open-eyed wonder to it. Granted things didn't start happening in rapid succession like they did in Betrayal, but I think that is part of what
brought LotF to a grinding halt in places.
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Kirr Mistwelder |
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That's a really good point corax. At the time, I felt (and still do) that Betrayal was a perfect blend of the prequel sensibilities with the original trilogy characters. It has that breakneck speed that the prequels mostly seemed to strive for - and in many ways, it wasn't maintained throughout the series (and why no other book in the series comes as close to a 'great' Star Wars book for me). And I'm not a big fan of the prequels, but that novel just really worked for me. I think you may be right as well in that Outcast compares more favorably to A New Hope (a movie I will admit, I like but don't love - a very similar feeling to my reaction to Outcast). I certainly think many plot seeds were planted in Outcast that could easily be built into an excellent overarching plot through the rest of the series - and Outcast probably works pretty well as a 'stand alone' novel the way that Vector Prime did - something that Betrayal really couldn't do. I did forget to mention that I found it funny that Ben mocks his father for maintaining the same 'bowl' cut style to his hair after so many decades - something the fans were griping about the cover of Outcast showing.
You are greater than the Jedi of former days.
Because unlike the Knights of old, Jedi Luke Skywalker... You are not afraid of the dark. |
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corax |
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It was pretty cool seeing a lot of the stuff fans talk about addressed in Outcast. I think that shows that authors do pay attention to what the fans are saying
even though there are still those who believe that they don't.
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Jaina SoIo |
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...though I find it a little odd that Jag can escape from his duties as Head of the Galactic Empire so easily to play bounty-hunter. Yeah, I found myself asking that an awful lot as well. I was kind of like, "I bet Daala isn't being an irresponsible joy-rider right now... Tsk tsk tsk." And 'tame' is a VERY good word to describe this book. Very, very tame. I was never on the edge of my seat reading any of the action scenes. |
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Iurus |
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Well, there was that time I thought Han would piss himself. Does that count?
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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^^ Want. Now. Though I hope you mean "piss himself in laughter" as opposed to "piss himself because he was afraid and/or incontinent."
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I agree that it could be a " Stand Alone " book. It opens up questions but I was hoping for alittle more. Betrayal left me breathless at times and I
coulden't wait for the next one. I found the Han and Leia story pretty boring and could of used a whole novel of Jaina going after steff and Valin. The
Luke and Ben story was good and I feel they have many more adventures that will only grow darker. It is after all, Book one of many more to come in this time
frame...
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Didn't it seem weird that the missing Zekk was never mentioned by anyone? Or did I miss that.
"Pride is pretty sneaky", Jacen warned. " It disguises itself pretty well. I hope you'll have a long talk with Uncle Luke at some point.
Unless you don't think even he has anything to teach you". Jacen Solo to his brother, Anakin Solo , Conquest pg.286
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corax |
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Well it shouldn't have been mentioned because technically we all should have read Blood Oath by the time Outcast was released. So I imagine that by the
time we read that a lot of things will make more sense.
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Acky12 |
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JediVergere7 wrote:No... but I've kind of checked out completely on Zekk... so.... meh.
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patchworkz7 |
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corax wrote: Fans talk about EVERYTHING, so it isn't surprising when some things get addressed. What gets annoying for some authors is when fans seem to demand certain things. I know there was a time several authors were really reluctant to put any sort of description of new ships in the books because the Fleet Junkies would just annoy the crap out of them and demand info that wouldn't be canon. So ships just showed up but were not described or old models were used. Of course authors are aware of what fans want or would like to see, but they also know what LFL wants, and they also have their own ideas on how to craft a story. Personally, I thought that the "darker" period of SW should have ended with TUF, and while I liked LoTF, I thought it was a mixed bag. One of the reasons I'm not overly wild about the LEGACY comic books is that the look and feel is a bit too 80's grim and gritty for me, and Cade Skywalker reminds me a bit too much of Ostrander's old Grimjack character. |
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ANDY 000 |
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JediVergere7 wrote: That all depends on when Blood Oath ends. If he's still missing then yeah it would be odd. But if he resurfaced months earlier and is happy where he is, why would they have to mention him. |
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JediVergere7 |
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I guess we will have to wait for Blood Oath to see. Although, really it's the only thing that would make sense ie. Zekk is okay and everyone knows it by
the time of Outcast. Otherwise it makes no sense for Jaina (of all people) not to be really conserned and worrying about him.
So I guess the events in Blood Oath will have to occur before the events of Outcast.
"Pride is pretty sneaky", Jacen warned. " It disguises itself pretty well. I hope you'll have a long talk with Uncle Luke at some point.
Unless you don't think even he has anything to teach you". Jacen Solo to his brother, Anakin Solo , Conquest pg.286
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ramesses |
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I never even thought about that. Yes if zekk was in real bad danger I'm sure We would of read a more worried concerned Jaina. But what of his where abouts?
We will have to wait.
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It could be though that Zekk is in mortal peril and Jaina THINKS he is okay so thats why she's not saying anything about it. Or it could just be that she
has more important things on her mind. Do YOU reference your friends every single day in conversation even if they aren't there? No, you don't.
We'll find out what happens to Zekky in BO and then he can randomly walk into the series in Backlash or something. If we have to be concerned about who Jaina isn't mentioning, let's refer to Lowie and Tesar. Lowie is like her BFF, and Tesar is just plain cool and is always with Lowie. Why nobody mentions them is a crime. They could be in mortal peril all the time off on their Jedi missions and no one worries about them! |
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BobaKareu |
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Finally started reading this tonight. I know a couple spoilery things, but for the most part I've kept myself willfully ignorant.
It really doesn't feel like a big difference overall from LotF, in terms of writing and how the story is presented. I'd imagine that any newcomers would be sufficiently beaten down by how inaccessible the book is, at it relies so much on the events of LotF. Since I'm not fresh off Invincible, though, the first few chapters felt a little bit like I was fumbling to reunite with the characters. I'm already looking forward to the Luke/Ben stuff, given that I loved their intro in the book, but Leia and Han seem kinda off their game to me right now. Then again, I am fresh off Shadows of Mindor so it might take a couple more chapters for me to get focused. Also, wtf happened to the ending of Millennium Falcon? Talk about a stupid retcon. That book ends with Leia/Han/etc. zipping to Coruscant to save Luke from dereliction of duty charges. Yet in Outcast, Luke/Leia/Han are all chillin' in a government meeting. Then we get one sentence buried in the second chapter that Luke had heard "rumors from political allies" about possible charges weeks before. So the Falcon Crew gets to Coruscant breathless to save Luke, only for him to say "lol its just rumors but probably true"? And my hatred for Millennium Falcon continues to grow! Oh, and I'm not going to lie. Corran Horn called Valin "boy" so many times in their standoff that I began to wonder if he was a fake too. That was just awkward to read. I'll now start compiling further thoughts into an actual review. Though I'm now beginning to wonder if Allston purposefully crafted Outcast to be like Vector Prime rather than Betrayal... Currently Playing: Dead Space, Megaman 9, Dead Rising, Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars, Pokemon Diamond, Chrono Trigger, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles Currently Reading: Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi - Outcast, World War Z
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Iurus |
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That's an interesting point. Vector Prime was a pretty self-contained story, to the point where cancelling the rest of the NJO wouldn't really have
hurt it. Outcast is a lot closer to that then anything in LotF was.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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