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Wow. I had no idea this was happening/had happened. I'm now officially worried. Clarke seemed really fan-friendly and from what I know of her, had a great
personality and passion for the franchise. I think it'll be a while to see how the dust settles, but this has me really worried.
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Kirr Mistwelder |
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Yeah, I noticed this on the trekBBS yesterday. I do still check in there - I just never post (as I swore I wouldn't). Christopher (the main reason I
don't post) chimed in right away about how no one should be worried and it doesn't mean anything and it would make no sense for Trek to go to another
publisher etc...
Again, this isn't about quality. I'm glad The Romulan War is coming out this year - I'm hopeful it's at least enough of a closure that if no more novels come after it, I'll feel content with that story. But in general, Trek has seen it's shelf space decreasing in size for years, as Wars gets bigger and bigger. It doesn't bode well for them, and making their books less and less approachable to all but the most invested of fans isn't helping their cause. I'd like to point out at this point that Wars may be faced with much the same problem in the next few years. While you and I may love the deeply connected stories like LotF and FotJ - those are NOT newbie friendly series. Fortunately, I think the stand alone books Wars does (Deathtroopers, Death Star) DO reach out to more 'casual' fans, and that has helped Del Rey a lot.
You are greater than the Jedi of former days.
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MrNomAnor |
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^^ In part though, I think Del Rey is trying to cater for this with things like their PDF "Who's who in FOTJ" or whatever that article was called
that they made freely available on TOS.
Like I said, I don't think I feel like *I* can comment on this yet as Acky's reveal of the news blindsided me. I'm ashamed because I haven't had time to be on TrekBBS the last fortnight and so I missed this news altogether. Who's let down the fandom? Me. |
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Acky12 |
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And now some better Trek Lit news from TrekMovie:
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Kirr Mistwelder |
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I'd like to direct your attention away from the man behind the curtain...
Well, I did enjoy that. Can't wait for this book at least. I'm betting Trip had it figured out about half-way through that excerpt - I think the Romulans figured out who he was and staged this rescue (along with giving him a truth serum) to get him to spill some Federation secrets.
You are greater than the Jedi of former days.
Because unlike the Knights of old, Jedi Luke Skywalker... You are not afraid of the dark. |
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MrNomAnor |
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I JUST JIZZED IN MY PANTS.
Sorry, that's all I can manage at the moment. You'll forgive me this once I hope because THAT EXCERPT MADE ME JIZZ IN MY PANTS. I was pseudo-worried that the absence of the Great Andy Mangels from the writing duo may hurt this novel, but I pleased to say that I think that Michael Martin will do a fine job all on his own (though I do hope Mangels is able to return soon). |
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MrNomAnor |
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So I woke up at 5:50 am this morning which was really annoying given that I had planned to sleep until at least 7am. And I couldn't get back to sleep; mind
was racing with all the coming crap I have on this week.
So I decided hey, let's read Star Trek: Countdown. Yes I know, I'm that spontaneous. So I did. And I actually.... thought it started off bland but then got extremely exciting. I do think this title had relevant backstory that really would've made the film make sense for some people. I mean, it didn't worry me given that I had this knowledge going into the film, but the film itself did only have bare bones in terms of Nero's motivation and his history with Spock. I do think Nero as a character is fleshed out more, and this needed more weight in the film. I do hope that eventually the book line dovetails into this when they approach 2387, as the story nuggets dropped here beg for loads more screentime: Picard's retirement from Starfleet and career change to the diplomatic corps; Geordi's retirement from Starfleet so he can build his own ships; Worf becoming a KLINGON GENERAL; Data's return and imprinting on B-4 (and rise to Captain of Enterprise), the reunification efforts between Vulcan and Romulus progressing at a somewhat more... steady pace than they are currently and Romulus actually allowing legalised immigration of non-Romulans. If Countdown is the only source that will ever tackle these storylines then the fandom will lose out indeed. I do think there was a sense of a deeper relationship between Nero and Spock than we got in the film and I appreciated that a lot. I'm still not really sure though Spock labels him a friend, as I don't think their relationship was that far advanced. And the deeper explanation of the whole Hobus supernova/red matter/Jellyfish vessel was a godsend because again, this was only bare bones in the film. And although it was never outright stated in the book, I really got this sense that by 2387, Vulcan is no longer a member of the Federation, or at the very least, the Vulcans have become waaaaaaaaaaaaay insular and isolationist. They apparently have their own Senate now (which I am quite certain they've not had before) and develop all this uber-tech that they keep secret. I guess they seemed very... Enterprise-era Vulcans and while there is nothing wrong with that, I get the feeling there was more to this story than meets the eye. The artwork was actually very astounding in my eyes; lost of great visuals and a lot to look at and enjoy. A great way to full circle Star Trek. TOS led to TNG and now TNG is handing the baton back to TOS, so to speak. I loved the symbology in that, and found it very appealing. |
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ANDY 000 |
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I'm sure every planet in the federation has it's own government or senate. And as for the tech, we don't know they haven't shared it with the
federation, all we know is that none of the ships seen had it. Spocks ship was built by the science directorate and was presumably experimental, so would be
faster and more advanced than most of the fleet. And if the Vulcans had become more insular then they wouldn't be seeking unification surely and I doubt
Spock would be talking to them let alone working with them.
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jacenfan1 |
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Hey! I'm just popping in here to ask a question. I have started reading the Crossings and it got me, not a Trek fan at all usually, wondering where a NOOB
like me would start should I want to wade into the trekkie world a bit.
Any suggestions? When I have time one thing I'll do is read more of this thread. Other than that, any suggestions? jf1 |
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Kirr Mistwelder |
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This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say Trek Lit has got a problem - so many people don't know where to start.
Jacenfan, the first question starts with you. What Trek do you like (or even know)? Is your only exposure to trek via Crossing? Is there any kind of enemy you like, or type of story (historical fill in the time periods, mystery, action/adventure, humor, darker) - basically, anything you can give us to start you in a particular direction.
You are greater than the Jedi of former days.
Because unlike the Knights of old, Jedi Luke Skywalker... You are not afraid of the dark. |
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jacenfan1 |
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I think I know that dude from reading rainbow was on one of the shows...
Really I have no idea. I have had basically zero exposure to any Trek stuff. The only times I have even seen Trek Lit is while looking at Star Wars lit... jf1 |
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Kirr Mistwelder |
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You're right, Geordi moonlights on Reading Rainbow - it's a holodeck thing.
Ok, I'm going to give you some highlights of where I'd suggest you start. If you're enjoying The Crossing fanfic (Voyager crossed with Star Wars), I'd highly suggest Star Trek Voyager: Mosaic and Star Trek Voyager: Pathways. These were written by Jeri Taylor (one of the creators of the series) and they are basically backstories for all the Voyager characters. While, I've never read it, I think Christie Golden's Star Trek Voyager: Seven of Nine is well liked and would be a good introduction to that character as well. Acky might be able to recommend some additional Voyager books should you enjoy those - I'm not well read on the Voyager lit. I could give some highlights from some other series - but honestly, it depends on what you want to read more about. There are some fantastic Next Generation books - but I think being a fan of that series would be helpful to fully enjoying those books. On the other hand, I think Deep Space Nine is not really the kind of book series you want to dive into without having seen the TV show at all. If you've seen the new Star Trek movie, there will be a series of books coming out next summer taking place in that 'universe/timeline' and I think that's going to be a great place for new people to the series to start. If you haven't seen the movies, I'd suggest you at least start there to get a feel for the original crew and the next generation - it'll also give you an idea for which you might want to read more about.
You are greater than the Jedi of former days.
Because unlike the Knights of old, Jedi Luke Skywalker... You are not afraid of the dark. |
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jacenfan1 |
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Thanks a ton Kirr!
I still don't know how I feel about StarTrek Lit... still kind of feels like I'm cheating on StarWars or something you know? Goofy as that sounds... I am willing to give it a shot though. I know only a bit about the older characters, what I've heard and stuff and I did sort of want to go see the new movie. I guess I'll pick one of the spots you suggested and see if I like it. Who knows? |
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MrNomAnor |
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So while I am reading Full Circle and preparing to order Unworthy, TRW:BTRW and Synthesis, this totally random thought that I actually
haven't had in months smacked me in the upside of the head.
Beverly Crusher became pregnant with the much-heralded-by-me Baby PicCrusher in Greater than the Sum. GTTS was published in July of 2008. In Losing the Peace, published in June 2009, almost a year later, Beverly is still pregnant. Because of the nature of the in-universe timeline, she doesn't give birth in that book. We don't get another TNG book until kriffing JANUARY OF 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Apparently Paths of Disharmony is set in early 2382 (well, it has to be anyway, given it deals with the Typhon Pact) so it is either Option A) we don't see the birth of baby PicCrusher, we pick up when he's already been born; or B) the book actually starts mid/late 2381 when we have the birth and then goes into 2382. My point is, that apart from this being turned into the longest pregnancy in the history of pregnancies (in terms of us waiting TWO AND A HALF YEARS FOR THIS) it actually goes to show the rather shoddy way that TrekLit is handling its myriad series of books. And plus, hey, its BABY PICCRUSHER. Why the hell should the universe have to wait this unecessarily long wait for such awesomeness? Sorry, but this gets my goat. And tramples my goat. And makes goat soup from my goat. This travesty is unforgiveable. ...Carry on. |
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MrNomAnor |
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So I finished Full Circle last week and was going to do this epic-ly long post detailing my thoughts, but I won't.
Let me explain. There are certain awesome books that once you've read, you scream like a little girl at a Jonas Brothers concert and come rushing online to fansquee like there is no tomorrow. A good example of this is a Matthew Stover book. His titles bring so much awesome, you can't help but fansquee all over the forum like nobody's business. Then there are books like Full Circle. This book was so emotional and so invigorating and did so much for Voyager that... I can't articulate it. Like I said before, I will have to go starkly against Acky's opinion of this book (which, I'm hoping I recall correctly, was that this book is very poor and substandard) and I can count on one hand the low amount of times I have ever disagreed with Acky on pretty much anything since I have know him. Full Circle hit all the right emotional and character beats and told a very compelling, layered and honest story. If, for whatever reason, Kathryn Janeway is the only character in the history of Trek who cannot be resurrected, cloned, brought back from an alternate universe or anything like that, then FC is more than fitting in its euology of her. One could read the entire book AS a tribute to her, and how she has influenced the people and situations around her for the better, and how everyone will mourn her passing. Indeed, a couple of characters have their entire arc in this book revolving around their relationships to her and what her passing did. This book made sense of certain things to me. Like, for example, the rather ill-explained and ill-defined "Let's send a Starfleet Admiral on this crappy little science ship all by herself to this HYPERMASSIVE BORG CUBE and whatever." It also.... holy crap... this book MADE ME LOVE CHAKOTAY. Which is more or less a miracle. Let me explain. I loved Chakotay's character in the first two seasons of VOY. Yet after the Basics two-parter, he became plainer than vanilla. It's like when Janeway said, "No I won't have a relationship with you" and then Seska died, it's like both ladies took Chakotay's personality with them. He was neutered and rendered boring. NO MORE. Kirsten Beyer got inside the head of every single one of VOY's main characters (Neelix not counting here, given he is half a galaxy away) and made them relatable, fragile, triumphant, melancholic and human. She made them exciting. I felt they were worthy my time reading about. I will even go so far to say that I was so impressed with the characterisation, themes, events and ideas presented in this novel that I will rank it as one of my favourite Star Trek books of all time. Yes, you read that correctly. I will also point out that FC is now my favourite VOY novel, trumping even the brilliant Pathways and Mosaic. This book was a fitting farewell to Kathryn Janeway. We see it in the reactions to her death: Chakotay, Seven, Phoebe, Tom, B'Elanna... We see it in their final scenes/memories of her. We see it in how the characters move on and slowly come back together. How Beyer moved the characters through this (and other) losses and then portrayed their emotions to these events... it was incredibly moving and all too real. In other news, I remain conviced that Admiral Bastite (whose name is very annoying to read: I always read it as "Bastiste" or "Bastard" or "Bastine" for some reason) is a spy/operative from some Big Bad species from the Delta Quadrant. He's definitely fishy. Liking the new character of Eden; I will be intrigued to see what her connection with the DQ and those paintings/artifacts from Season 3 is. I also appreciated how the story jumped back and forth through the three or so years. If Beyer had told it in a strictly linear fashion, it wouldn't have had half as much heart-rending impact and wouldn't have been as exciting, so I am glad she told it in the manner it was told. And lol, they totally had a quote from Benjamin Linus as a preface to the novel. Lost FTW, infiltrating Star Trek again. Glorious.
Also loved the secondary plotline regarding B'Elanna, Miral and the Klingons. It will have interesting repurcussions not just for when B'Elanna and Miral rejoin the Voyager Fleet, but also for Kahless and the Klingon Empire in general. So the real Kahless is out there trying to eradicate the quwquaHaq (I won't even attempt to spell it correctly ) and he's left a
hologrammic version of himself to lead the Empire. This could lead to some ve-heh-herrry intriguing storylines, not necessarily for VOY, but for Trek
in general.
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Rouge77 |
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Not perhaps the proper place of saying this, but I kind of like Janeway's death. I considered the last episode of Voyager rather stupid, frankly, another
case of a destroyed timeline in Star Trek (it's done far too easily, without considering the full implications almost always in my opinion), and now
Janeway kind of paid the price for that act. In the original timeline she would still be alive for over two decades.
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Kirr Mistwelder |
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That's actually an interesting idea Rogue - the fact that this Janeway paid the price for her alternate's decision in Endgame.
Nom, I believe (though I'm not 100% certain) that like me, Acky has not actually read Full Circle. I believe we were both judging the book based on other people's spoiler reviews. That said, your review has certainly made me think twice. But, I still don't like the idea of Voyager stories moving forward being half crewed by completely new people. Voyager doesn't work the same way TNG or DS9 do (TNG works pretty well splitting the crew - DS9 feels more like an ensemble cast anyway, so switching in and out makes some sense) - Voyager needs that family feeling, instead of trapped in the Delta quadrant - now they're heading back together on an important mission. It feels odd to me when half the crew is new, and it gets old as well - how many new crew members across every single series do I need. Thank god for Enterprise - at least they're leaving that crew alone.
"Every Jedi Knight has to be his own light, because the light shouldn't go out when one Jedi dies." - Anakin Solo
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Acky12 |
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Nice to hear a positive review, but right now I have 0 interest in Trek fiction, especially when it comes to how they're handling Voyager. Thanks a lot,
Peter David.
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MrNomAnor |
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No, no, no, no, no Acky. No. Forget Peter David. Forget him. Forget Before Dishonor. Full Circle more than makes up for that. Yes, Janeway is
still gone, but I dare you to read FC and not be moved by the "euology" to her at all. You WILL be moved, that is my guarantee. It really does do
her, her character, her personality and her essence justice. And you leave the book (FC) finding that Janeway has infused everything and everyone around her
for their betterment.
And I don't really understand the comment about a "mostly new" Voyager crew. Out of the 10 regular cast members from the seven years, we currently have Tom, B'Elanna, the Doc and Harry still with the ship. By the end of Unworthy, Chakotay and Seven will also rejoin. That only leaves Janeway, Neelix, Kes and Tuvok. So we're not doing too badly. The family theme(s) are really played to their strengths in FC. I urge you both to read it. Screw this, "I'm fed up with Trek Lit" feelings. Make an exception and then go back to your disinterest! |
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Acky12 |
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No, no, no, no, no Acky. No. Forget Peter David. Forget him. Forget Before Dishonor. Full Circle more than makes up for that. Yes, Janeway is still gone, but I dare you to read FC and not be moved by the "euology" to her at all. You WILL be moved, that is my guarantee. It really does do her, her character, her personality and her essence justice. And you leave the book (FC) finding that Janeway has infused everything and everyone around her for their betterment. My problem is back to Peter David and the Editors (or is that a singular Editor) at Pocket. Why does it take a second book released this long after BD to finally get said Eulogy and closure. I dare them to kill off Picard this way, in a book that's 90% make up of content from the Voyager crew who couldn't care less that he's no longer out there. Oh that's right, they wouldn't. It all strikes me as a kneejerk reaction - that the missing eulogy commentary was an oversight that they didn't think of until fans got vocal.
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