I agree with Boba; althought it was good to get some official word from Sue, it was only a tactic designed to distract and subdue the chatter/panic. Cancelation now seems even more likely.
I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope Elaine is okay.
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Indeed. For some reason I could have sworn Sue mentioned she'd received the BO manuscript some time ago. That might have just been a product of my
imagination or it could be possible that there were a lot of items that needed to be edited out or changed, to the point where Sue simply had to return the MS
to Elaine.
I agree with Boba; althought it was good to get some official word from Sue, it was only a tactic designed to distract and subdue the chatter/panic. Cancelation now seems even more likely. I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope Elaine is okay.
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S1thari wrote: Your powers are weak, old man!!!
Thanks for the welcomes, everyone.
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MO! Welcome to NJOE!
But yeah, that's pretty good news. At least if it's delayed until April of next year I can get it for my birthday.
Thanks for the info.
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MizzeeOH wrote:Mizzee?!?!? Where have you been???
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S1thari wrote:Or, maybe some fans have over-hyped the situation in their mind. It could very well be as simple as Sue suggests. |
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LOL, I guess I stopped going on SW.com alot, though I do lurk there a bit now.... come in NJOE LC!!
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Yes, the atmosphere around here is a bit more... tranquil and, well, not filled with a bunch of 12 year old children posting random thoughts and clutterig up
the threads like the SW.com boards, and it's not as cluttered as TF.N.
Nice little slice of heavan you have here...
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BobaKareu |
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An author meeting up with unforeseen problems that cause delay or possible cancellation seems like a legit excuse.
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Is it just me or is Blood Oath the book that never was.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most
frightens us. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people don't feel insecure around
you. We are all meant to shine as children do. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own lights shine, we unconsciously give
other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. Mariane Williamson
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What do you mean, Ben?
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majster |
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Master Optician wrote:Not the first or not the last time this has happend. All we know that it looked cool from the story perspective but it seems that it's was just a crap book. Last September Elaine was suppose to send manuscript to the publisher and now we have middle of June and the manuscript is not ready. It says a lot about the quality of the book. |
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Actually the MS was due October 1st. I went through almost the whole thread here just to get a refresh on the course of events.
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Okay, even when Sue comes out and says something, everyone seems to be double-guessing things, thinking about what may or may not be going on behind the
scenes, speculating about whether or not this book is cancelled....
From this thread it seems we are no better off than we were before Sue made the announcement. I strongly suggest we take what she has said at face value. Blood Oath is not cancelled yet. Circumstances we know absolutely nothing about nor have any business knowing are delaying this book for whatever reason that is none of our business. They are trying to get this book published in April 2010. So it seems like there is something about this book that Del Rey believes in, having delayed it twice now, and for quite a lengthy period of time. Let's leave it at that and not trip over ourselves in an effort to second-guess Sue and confuse each other with rumours and speculation. Like Bruce Wayne with Harvey Dent, I believe in this book, and it seems like Del Rey do too. That is enough for now. |
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MrNomAnor wrote:QFT. Also, it blows my mind that someone on TOS suggested getting someone else to do the book. That flies against everything we've been told about how SW books are done. The authors turn in outlines which are approved and then they write the MS. If anyone else were to do BLOOD OATH...it wouldn't BE BLOOD OATH. Also, the way Sue worded it was clear that the situation, which is the business of the author and the company she has a contract with, is not that clear, and that it's not the author's fault, but things have happened that are beyond the author's control that mean the MS couldn't be completed as originally planned. It's more than possible these events had nothing to do with the author. We don't know. We may never know. We don't have the RIGHT to know. If the book comes out we can buy it or not. That's it. That's as far as the social contract goes. I really hope that Elaine is okay and we get a cracking novel, and I'd hope that all fans feel the same. Also, the way the contracts are written it's Elaine's book, and it IS Elaine's book as she did the outline and signed the contract, so anyone doing a Zekk book wouldn't be doing BLOOD OATH, and hopefully we get Elaine's novel. If not...I hope all is well and we get a book from her in the future, because I've liked her writing. If all else fails, I hope the other authors deal with the lack of a Zekk novel, and I'm glad that DR is being careful not to fan the flames of speculation and are being supportive of Elaine. |
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Personal issues definitely do come up, even for the seemingly omniscient authors of SW EU. That's always something I've been wowed by -- you work a
normal job, some of us can call in sick or take personal time off to deal with whatever unforeseen circumstances may come up. But with authors participating in
popular expanded universe works -- stuff that, like BO, ties in with series' being heavily promoted everywhere -- they've got deadlines to meet,
pressure that's being applied not only by the editors and fellow authors, but by fans most of all. Postponing a release date is always an option, but
doesn't always seem to work, especially not after doing it a first or a second time. Being able to pump out an entire novel takes some work,
particularly if you want that novel to be any good. So cutting Elaine Cunningham a break here seems to be what has to happen in order for BO to come out at
all, and I'm definitely willing to do that, and I think most fans are, too.
Hopefully she's doing alright and will be able to square away whatever (if anything at all) is going on in her life. I was looking forward to this novel, definitely, and I'm not sure how the FOTJ series as a whole will be affected by the possibility of a second postponement, but I'm sure they'll be able to work it out in the end. So far, the series isn't half bad. I can certainly live without Zekk for an additional few novels. |
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And it's not as if this is the first time a book got delayed due to a late manuscript.
If you recall, that's the reason why Shadows of Mindor got bumped back (twice) until finally landing in December last year. And hopefully, this too will be worth the wait.
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patchworkz7 wrote:If you are referring to what vandaronas posted, personally, I didn't feel that he outright suggested that someone else do the novel. He simply asked if, in the event the book was canceled, would they bring on another author to write it, because so many fans seem to want this book. I think that's a legitimate question. And I don't get why it wouldn't be Blood Oath if someone else wrote it. It would be Blood Oath, just Blood Oath from another perspective. We wouldn't know the difference. I'm sure we would wonder how EC would have wrote it, but we would have Blood Oath regardless. |
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It's certainly happened before, though not in Star Wars to my knowledge. The closest would be Michael Jan Friedman's planned NJO trilogy, which was
apparently decided it mimicked too much the plans for Jacen in the later NJO, so in essence we got MJF's 'story' retold from a different
character's perspective (I think some of it was incorporated into Keyes' Edge of Victory novels too - but that's really mostly speculation).
Of course, Karen Traviss was brought in to take over the Gears of War novel after another writer had been selected to do it. I don't think she ultimately wrote the story he had planned to write, but we'll probably never exactly know. So, yes, I think it's a legitimate question. What's really being asked, is this a topic that has been discarded (see Plageus novel) or is this an author issue. I'm sure Del Rey wouldn't answer this question however until a decision had been made, and it sounds to me like they're giving the author more time to complete the book - something they could continue to do indefinately should they want to.
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Kirr Mistwelder wrote:Karen's GoW novel was completely original. It had nothing to do with Kent's. Karen started clean and just turned in her own outline with what she wanted to do without knowing anything about what Kent had planned or written. From what has been said in the past; the way SW authors usually do novels is to turn in an outline and get it approved once being asked to pitch for the universe. My point was also to kind of point out that there's contractual and economic issues at play here too. They can't just reuse Elaine's outline, because it's Elaine's outline. They could give the slot to someone and say; "Write a story about Zekk and the twins", but there's no telling what we'd get. Also, there's the question of whether it'd end up being a rush job to make a deadline. I'd rather see Elaine be given the time to write her outline that was approved and which the cover and solicit was based on instead of just getting some filler material that tells the story. I'm just saying it's important to remember that BLOOD OATH existed because Elaine wrote an outline that DR/LFL liked, it was more than just an assigned book, and there's a chance it wasn't assigned at all in the sense most people think of. Franchise writers have a surprising amount of leeway with what to write about, it's just that they have to have outlines okayed before they write. Also, the way Sue worded it doesn't mean that there's even something going on in the author's life. Something beyond Elaine's control is delaying the MS. Whether that is something in her life or something at LFL even...we've not been told and probably will never know, which is fine, as it's their business. Does that make sense? I think people have an image of franchise fiction that doesn't fit the reality. There's a lot of freedom involved in what writers can write about (except novelizations, obviously) and it's rare that a book is outright "assigned" in the way I think people assume they are. I believe Traviss has a FAQ that talks about this. Also, they'd have to kill-fee Elaine's book and then pay a new author all over again to come up with a new outline, get it approved, get an MS, and then release something that isn't BLOOD OATH since contractually, I'm pretty sure that slot is Elaine's. Actually, since it hasn't been canceled I sort of wonder if the problem is more on LFL's side for whatever reason, but there's just no telling. All we know is that it's beyond the author's control, so it's not even that Elaine is late, but that something is going on that means she can't get the MS finished due to...something, which again, isn't our business. |
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