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BobaKareu wrote:

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Chris wrote:

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She did show up after Ebaq. Jacen saw her before they set off for Zonoma Sekot in Force Heretic: Remnant.

I don't mind retcons normally (you get used to them reading comics) but this one goes completely against her portrayal in NJO, undermines the ending of that series AND serves no real purpose in this series, just served as an excuse for lazy writing (what they couldn't come up with a better reason for Jacen to fall than a teacher he had for a roughly a year about a decade ago, after which he emerged a greater Jedi than ever before?)

I think you're confusing one of Sekot's forms with her Force Ghost. Her last appearance (and only as a Force Ghost) was in Destiny's Way.

Nope, she appeared to Jacen in Remnant, WAY before they found Sekot (who's projection Vergere was said to look younger).

Stover did nail it in both Traitor and Shatterpoint (Stover himself said, in the official site interview I think, that he thought his understandings of the dark side were part of the reason he got the ROTS job).

I find what AladelAngel said very interesting comparing it to religion. The Potentium view of the Force is different to the Jedi's, but that doesn't make it false, just simply a different belief. Taking the religious comparison a step further, say the Jedi are Orthodox Christians and the Potentium view is Gnostic Gospels (to borrow Aladel's examples), what LOTF has essentially done is retcon Vergere from Gnostic Gospels to a devil worshipper and say that if you follow a path other than the orthodox path you will end up a devil worshiper as well.

Why couldn't Jacen just have his own interesting and unique views? Why did one have to be wrong and the other right?

If they had to make Jacen go off the rails why did he have to become another generic Sith (in fact worse than generic, he never really became that big a threat and lost most battles he with the Jedi). He could have been used to show that the dark can achieve good things, to make us question more where the line was between good and evil. Instead he got a Sith name and went mad instead.

From Kevin's post I would go with option B any day over option A, and to add to that, at the time issue 18 was release Jan did post on the DH boards that the scene was as Krayt remembered it so it may not have been what she truely said, just what he (as a Sith recalling a Sith teacher) remembered her saying.

And yes Uliah she could have saved Jacen at Myrkr, but if he hadn't gone through the events of Traitor could he have brought about the end of the war in the way he did?

As for quotes I prefer Luke's end speech to the Jedi;

"If I have learnt anything from the events of the past five years, it is that the Force is more all-embracing than I ever realized. Light and dark do not always stand opposed, but mingle with each other in curious ways. More important, the Force seems to have a will, and it's when we're acting against the will of the Force that we get into trouble. Anger by itself is not of the dark side unless it is accompanied by a desire to dominate. When we act in harmony with the will of the Force, we disappear into it. When we struggle against it, we not only sever our ties with the Force, but also feed the needs of chaos.
The evolution of sentience reflects the constant between those two poles. Evil - the dark side - won't be eradicated until it has been discarded as an option for aquiring power, subjugating would-be opponents, or offsetting feelings of anger, envy, or exclusion. Where victims of injustice exist, the dark side finds initiates. That is the cycle our actions are meant to forstall, and in this battle the Force is both our ally and our guardian. We serve it best by listening to its will, and serving the good with our every action - by personifying the Force"

To me that (and the rest of his speech) just sums up what it should mean to be a Jedi in the NJO.

In terms of light and dark, Jacen's battle with Onimi states that he broke through the apparent opposites of the Force to a more all-embracing reality. So maybe on the level the Jedi work there is light and dark as Luke said in the earlier quote, but in the grander scale - The Unifying Force - it is just one whole.