i will just say that luke is powerful in a different way he has found that commanding prescense that he may have had earlier but now he's magnified it by
alot. in sacrifice he said he'd ignored what he was best at righting wrongs. he is doing that now, luke doesnt have to whip up on a sith despot to be that
despots most challenging foe. we saw in this series escpecially the power of presentation. i think jacen said that luke was thinking a falanasi illusion was a
slight of the hand then he hadnt found the power of presentation well luke found it. add that to his wide repitoire
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I just hope that in the next novel they address the somewhat dismissed notion of Luke's "taint" from killing Lumiya.
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Luke has been to the dark side before and back. I was the one earlier in the series crying for him to stop all the postulating and hand wringing and go kick
someone's ass. Now he has and I love it. He didn't even have to leave the room he was in at the time. Nice. I'm sure they won't sweat him his
taint (tee hee) for too long.
"I think a chicken, a coffee mug, or something that resembles coleslaw would
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Posts: 1399 05/23/08 9:23 AM |
I don't care what Luke is I just want him consistent or to progress naturally to however he will turn out..I think after all the crap he's been through
he deserves that much.
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Posts: 1599 05/23/08 9:46 AM |
I think he already is what he'll turn out to be from a power perspective. If he gets to be any more powerful he would be creating life through the force or
resurrecting the dead. Who knows, maybe he can now but just hasn't. There has to be an upper limit and I'd have to say we've about reached it. He
may come up with new tricks but they would have to be variations of the same themes we've seen.
The question for me becomes should he teach those techniques to a successor? If he doesn't a lot of knowledge dies when he does. If he does and that Jedi ever turned to the dark side it would be catastrophic. It's all about entrances and exits. He made his entrance in one of the greatest movies ever made. How does he make his exit? "I think a chicken, a coffee mug, or something that resembles coleslaw would
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Posts: 1406 05/23/08 9:50 AM |
I don't think Luke exiting is a can of worms DR (or even Lucas) wants to open just yet. This will be an event that everyone will have an opinion of how it
should happen. I cannot imagine Lucas not having his say on this one.
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First off I like uber-Luke. He's the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, the most powerful Jedi ever, thus things like Shatterpoint should be not problem for
him.
Secondly, the Shatterpoint cameo. I'm fine with Caedus and Luke using this. It shows how powerful they are. But then Jaina learning it in like an hour? Come on, that's silly. If it is this rare ability how can she just pick it up like that? If she's that good, she should be able to go toe to toe with Caedus in the Force. And then she doesn't even use it against him. It's pointless to even have her learn it. Thirdly, Fett and Luke. I can see Luke using the Mandos somewhat cold and calculating because he is presenting this dark throne image at Caedus. Luke is actually projecting himself as the next Emperor, threatening to toss Caedus off and take his place. It's inevitable that a little bit of that darkness he's projecting, some of that taint from Lumiya, his bitterness at Mara's death, all of that is causing him to think a little differently, act a little differently. I'm fine with that. But I think Fett deserves a little slack, not from Luke, but from everyone else. Through the early part of the book Jaina is constantly saying this is what Fett would have done and it's always some cold blooded act. Well if Fett was Fett, then he should have let Luke's blastboats make their run on that Star Destroyer without their support. Just let the Jedi get wiped out. The Mandos don't like Jedi, right? But Fett doesn't do that. He helps the Jedi on their attack run, they take out the Star Destroyer. Fett knows Jaina will be after Caedus but he has no idea where she is. Lastly, there is the mines. What is up with this stupid mine field? No one sees them, so are they equipped with cloaking shields? Plus, once they spot them, they just drive right into them. I'm guessing these things lock on, otherwise I would think they could have just dodged them. Going in there was a full wing of besuliike, somewhere around 36-72 fighters depending on Imperial or Allinace size wing, and by the end their was six. That is a lot of casualties due to mines. This is also the part where Luke uses the Mandos as shields. (and to my knowledge the Mandos never did use the Jedi as shields) Luke makes the decision that he has to make a run at the base in order to distract Caedus so Jaina can infiltrate. Why can't he warn the Mandos to wary of a trap, of some unseen danger? Why can't they do anything to counteract the deadliness of the mines? Luke has uber-Force, can't he sweep them away or blow them up? Seems like Denning just wanted to make a point that Mandos could be killed in droves. |
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I don't think Luke exiting is a can of worms DR (or even Lucas) wants to open just yet. This will be an event that everyone will have an opinion of how it should happen. I cannot imagine Lucas not having his say on this one. One thing that can be guaranteed about Luke's death is that no one will be happy with it. I would bet that DR/LFL never get into the how/why aspect just to avoid this controversy. If they choose to extend the timeline much further past LoTF, I can see them jumping forward past the event (much like the Legacy comics). Unless Lucas himself writes it, no one is going to accept it. Even if he does, which is very unlikely, everyone will still be pissed about it. Better to avoid it, if possible. |
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Posts: 391 05/24/08 7:55 AM |
look at it this way luke does what he does for the good of the galaxy he is jacen as he should have been, as for passing on the teachings look out for a
holocron that says use it when i die and just a thought but can luke die i mean he techniqually could probably shed his body and act like a spirit this would
make his death easier to write
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This is also the part where Luke uses the Mandos as shields. (and to my knowledge the Mandos never did use the Jedi as shields)Why does everyone keep missing this? It's right there on page 167 of Invincible. Luke to Boba Fett:: "You have no right to come here and blame Jaina for anything. You inserted yourselves into our mission thinking we would serve as your shields." Boba Fett: "And you made sure we paid the price. She might have got him if you had stuck to your plan, Jedi." Luke; "Or if you had offered to work with us isntead of trying to use us. And the first option, by the way, is still open." Boba Fett: "Not for us. Thanks for the briefing, Jedi." Secondly, the Shatterpoint cameo.Denning said, on SW.com, that he did write a scene with Jaina using Shatterpoint against Caedus, but he had to discard it. He left in that she'd learned it because he thought it was something the Sword could use at some point. |
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Posts: 57 05/24/08 5:54 PM |
Denning said, on SW.com, that he did write a scene with Jaina using Shatterpoint against Caedus, but he had to discard it. He left in that she'd learned it because he thought it was something the Sword could use at some point. That actually makes me feel much better about its introduction. I just hope that this isn't another plot thread that is abandoned by DR/LFL in future books because personally I hope the whole Sword of the Jedi thing is something that is continued into further novels. |
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Posts: 1413 05/24/08 9:33 PM |
I think there has been an "overuse" of the shatterpoint ability if were looking at a continuity standpoint. Now someone correct me if I am wrong but wasn't shatterpoint an ability you were born with? |
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That's what I thought. But Denning explains why he did what he did in regards to shatterpoint over on SW.com
However, it's very different from the way that Stover wrote Shatterpoint and Stover, to my knowledge, is the one who came up with it. In Stover's description it's strictly a gift: an ability "to see how people and situations fit together in the Force, to find shear planes that can cause them to break in useful ways, and to intuit what sort of strike would best make the cut." That's directly from Stover in ROTS novelization. I don't have Shatterpoint handy, or I'd look it up in there to see what he says about it. I really think Denning should have called it something else, or been a little more detailed about it. When it appeared in Invincible, I was like, "Huh?"
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Especially since the only way Shatterpoint was ever related to real materials in Stover's novel was with regards to crystals, not plates of solid armor.
That just annoyed me. -_-
When the world needs him, the warrior Fet'antilles will rise again from the grave.
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i think in shatterpoint mace said he could do at a young age what most masters took decades to learn
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Posts: 18 05/25/08 9:02 AM |
I know Luke said the Mandalorians used them as shields, and Fett doesn't dispute the statement. My problem is I don't see how the Mandalorians used the Jedi as shields when the Mandos were flying cover for the Jedi blastboats. The Mandos were the shields when the escorted the blastboats for the run on the Harbinger. Then they ran escort for Luke's blastboat as he went for an attack on the command bunker. Both times the Mandos were the shields and were taking the losses. They didn't benefit from flying with the Jedi other than helping secure the payloads the Jedi were delivering to the enemy (ie. bombs). And with the commando team, Jaina didn't help them at all. By the time she actually started her attack there were only two Mandalorians left. Ironically there armor provided shields for Caedus.This is also the part where Luke uses the Mandos as shields. (and to my knowledge the Mandos never did use the Jedi as shields)Why does everyone keep missing this? It's right there on page 167 of Invincible. |
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Posts: 3484 05/25/08 10:30 AM |
What you said is more or less true, but that wasn't how the Mandos planned it. They intended to use the Jedi which pretty much amounts to the same
thing. How about Fett comming Luke & and saying, "let's work together on this."?
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Posts: 202 05/25/08 12:54 PM |
Uliah wrote: Because it's Luke?
Why not JOIN forces? Why doesn't Luke comm Boba? It cuts both ways, and given his feelings it's pretty understandable why Boba wouldn't comm Luke. Why not combine the Wookiees and the Mandos? Boba has always been suspecious of the Jedi, although he'll work with Han and he trained Jaina, and he was nominally their ally in REVELATION since they had a common enemy. Why not simply ask Boba along and aprise him of the situation? It doesn't read all that strange for Boba (although from a tactical standpoint, commandos usually DON'T make full-frontal assaults), but it does read oddly for Luke. Luke deeply feels the loss of the minelayers in REVELATION, but he doesn't care at all about the majority of the Mandalorian strike team dying to protect them in INVINCIBLE? Honestly, except for that I would have thought it was an AWESOME scene. The idea of waves of Mandos covering Jedi, age old enemies forced to work together (which is almost a SW staple at this point), but instead it's just dead Mandos floating in space, and Luke confirming Boba's bigotry. And just to make this clear, I'm not saying (as other posters have on other forums) that Denning was trying to "put Mandos in their place" or that there was any authorial intent, but I do think that the characterization for Luke was way off in that scene more than any other, and not just Luke, but no one bats an eyelash at Mandos dying all around them. Again, why wasn't there a marshalling of forces to make sure the operation was a success? Why not warn Boba? Why do the Mandos just dive in through a minefield? How did they go from tactical geniuses who capture SD's to "throw themselves at enemy until dead" in the course of one book? I got that Denning wanted action packed, but some of the action, especially the parts involving military operations, felt like they needed a bit more planning. |
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Posts: 410 05/26/08 6:30 PM |
possibly but jacen could have been influencing their minds and like in inferno we didnt know how luke did what he did to survive so denning could have had that
in mind and just never put it in leading to speculation
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