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Acky12	Indy 4 (Spoilers Abound)		Lead	[-]
Posts: 12093 05/22/08 1:23 PM I’m responsible for all this...	Tags : None Well, not a lot of spoilers from me, because I hate starting these threads. I'd never survive as a newspaper reviewer. That was a fun ride. I hope to go again to see whether some of the dragging I felt was due to the movie or the lateness in the time. Great humor, great visuals, great MacGuffin... I'd just watched a Sci-Fi channel documentary on the skulls and everything tied in so well - I completely bought it. I'm an Indy nut, and I went with a friend who has seen the films and another who hasn't and they all enjoyed the film. Apparently it ranks below the other 3, for my friend who's seen them - probably mostly to do with the alien ship at the end which I thought was pretty wicked cool, although a little out of place for an Indy film... but when you think about the B-movies of the 1950s that it's supposed to resemble, it fits. I loved all the throw-aways for those people who have seen the films but they aren't too over the top for people who haven't... Indy afraid of snakes, seeing the Ark (however briefly)... etc. It's great to see a wise-cracking hero who can get hurt but also offers a load of a punch. "By the way you're sinking your teeth into those double-u's... " hahah. The ants freaked me out, but very Indiana Jones-ish. "Big damn ants... run!" Shia worked wonderfully - I want to see more movies of Mutt now. Marian seemed forced... at least... the marriage at the end did - I felt like their relationship rekindled out of nowhere, but he offered some very touching lines about how the other women "weren't you." The visual style of the film was amazing - I loved the look of the shots, especially the stuff in Nevada - gorgeous. Blanchete's Colonel Dr. Irina Sparko (or however it's spelled) was fantastic - a great and intriguing villian. Some things did seem a little forced... the weird jet engine thing that Indy rode? Where'd that come from? What was the purpose? What was up with that entire lab to begin with? Just some weird government lab underneath the military complex? But for the most part, it all flowed very nicely. I'm ready for an Indy 5.
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x wingurly		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1394 05/22/08 2:56 PM	The ants freaked me out, but very Indiana Jones-ish. "Big damn ants... run!" All I have to say is that when that Russian was taken into that giant anthole, I was mortified and creeped out. I hate bugs and creepy killer ants and my facial expression was priceless. Or so I was told by my friends who were with me. I will add to what you said Acky: Great movie. I remember reading that GL always wanted to do an alien thing in Indy so it didn't surprise me and I expected no less. While I still think the 3rd one was the best, no way was this a terrible movie. Shia Lebeouf and harrison Ford work well together. And I may be bias but I thought Shia did a great job at his part. Not over the top and didn't get washed into the background. He added instead of detracting from the story. Like you said Acky, the humor was good. One of my favortie scenes is where the greasers and jocks start fighting. Loved how they threw that bit of social history in the movie...and the red scare. Touched up on it without being preachy. Even if you are not an Indy fan, go see it purely to hear Cate Blanchett's awesome Eastern European accent. She is good and her character fits in well with the story.
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Vixzter		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 20 05/22/08 3:18 PM	One very dissapointed Indy fan here :-( Just got back from the cinema and I thought it was awful, Mr Lucas needs to stay away from stuff like that. Harrison Ford and Cate Blanchett were the best on screen by far.
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Zinnos	Acky	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8530 05/22/08 4:57 PM	I can't see it until Friday...but I'm gonna ignore the last comment in this thread to keep my spirits up! Daala Count- 20 and counting **************************************************** Then the forlorn look left her face, replaced by a slight smile. "After all, everything I tell you is a lie." Jacen cleared his throat. "That is an interesting turn of phrase." ******************************************* "You'll send a skiff?" Caedus fumed. "Tenel Ka, you can't believe I'm going to surrender- to you or anyone else." "I am hoping you will," Tenel Ka's voice was sad but firm. "because it is going to break my heart to open fire on you." ********************************************* Hapans Rule All. ***********
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Vixzter		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 21 05/23/08 12:59 AM	Zinnos don't worry I've already spoken to others who have really enjoyed it. I just didn't.
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BobaKareu		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 414 05/23/08 1:45 AM	I love how when people get pissed off at anything that George Lucas is involved in, it becomes his fault. The Complete Star Wars EU Journey: http://www.bobakareu.blogspot.com/
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max jaybo		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1842 05/23/08 1:48 AM	I really liked it. But I got the feeling this was more of an epilogue to the series than a continuation of it. I kinda feel like the Skull wasn't the McGuffin at all... Marion was. That the whole point of the movie was getting Marion and Indy back on screen together and giving closure to fans who loved them as a couple. Everything else in the film was just a device to get them to that ending. But then again, I've gotta see it again. There was soo much to absorb the first time around that I think I missed some of the more subtle plot points. And... I loved the inside references in the film. No less than three Marcus Brodie references in honour of the late Denholm Elliot, and Indy says the line. "I've got a bad feeling about this." I about fell out of my seat. And of course the aliens bearing a good resemblance to the Close Encounters aliens.) Some things did seem a little forced... the weird jet engine thing that Indy rode? Where'd that come from? What was the purpose? What was up with that entire lab to begin with? Just some weird government lab underneath the military complex? But for the most part, it all flowed very nicely. That's a mainstay of the Area 51 mythology. (In case you missed where they really were, It was on the inside of the warehouse doors when they first entered.) Area 51 is widely believed to be where the US Government worked on a lot of it's developements in the field of aviation, including jet propulsion. I guess Spielburg assumed that the viewer would either be a geek and know such a thing, or just not care. I can't entirely deny that my recent grumpiness is from a lack of getting laid.
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Vixzter		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 05/23/08 11:50 AM	BobaKareu: well he wrote the screen play ;-) Ok let me clarify what I did and didn't like and before anyone kills me I'm a big Indy fan have loved all the movies and Young Indy stuff. I liked the plot as a whole (won't go into spoiler details as I know there are people here who haven't seen it yet) The whole Area 51 Nevada scenes were good, proper Indiana Jones running from bullets and the Russians can't shoot type of thing. Harrison Ford was as ever exceptional, Shia LaBeouf was also very good, the casting there was very clever they hit it off well. Karen Allen and John Hurt did their part. Cate Blanchett did well as a stereotypical Russian/Ukranien baddie Jim Broadbent, not enough screen time to establish himself or his character. Ray Winstone...... sorry but to me he just sounded like he had just walked out of East Enders (UK Soap Opera for those that don't know) and if he says "Jonesy" one more time I think I'll do an Indy on him and thump on the nose ;-) Now.....the jungle bits....... very entertaining up until a point, I think they carried on far too long from an action point of view and again the same with the ants, good idea but the whole scene for me just carried on and on and on.... And the sword fight? oh please! stop there already! and the Tarzan bit..... mmmmm Anyway, thats just my view on it, having waited so long to see it I came out pretty deflated and if I hadn't of already paid for tickets to go see it with someone else I would probably pass the opportunity. Maybe I'll see it in a better light the 2nd time round, I'll let you know.
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Iron Fist		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1167 05/23/08 3:31 PM	I went to see the movie with a bunch of classmates and teachers at midnight (which was absolutely amazing) and the general consensus was that this movie was good, but not great. I loved the comedy and the action and I absolutely loved the Alien storyline (up until a point), especially the way they based it all in ancient (and mostly accurate) mythology. That being said, I did have two problems with the movie. First, I thought that every so often, they went one step too far beyond believability. Examples? Surviving a nuclear explosion in a refrigerator (and bouncing around in it as well), Mutts swinging like Tarzan, the ants creating a ladder, and then the alien space ship at the end. I thought the alien stuff was great up until the very end. I was a little shakey when we saw the aliens (completely). I was a more shakey when the antechamber (with all the skulls) started spinning. If it had stopped there, I probably would have been okay but I thought the giant saucer went to far. The other problem I had was with Miriam's and Indy's relationship. We never hear enough about what went wrong and they seem to miraculously solve the problems they had. And we never even knew those problems. I did like the very end (the wedding), especially the idea with the hat. As soon as I saw Mutts pick up the hat, I was thinking: "Crud. This is the new future of the Indy series?! No..." And then Indy grabbed the hat and the entire theatre cheered. That being said, I wished there had been more whippage in the movie but that is definitely more minor. As I said, the humor was great and I loved the main storyline. And I would reccommend seeing thsi movie. You know, its kind of sad that if I were to mention the discussions that go on here to somebody in the real world, they would call me crazy as well as obsessive and a complete geek/nerd/whatever. Then I come here and discover that I'm way out of my league. Especially when people recall details that I don't even remember....
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Acky12		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12097 05/23/08 3:57 PM I’m responsible for all this...	I really liked it. But I got the feeling this was more of an epilogue to the series than a continuation of it. See, I felt a continuation... but I also am ready to see Mutt-based films. Shia really fit in well. And I love your idea that Marian's the MacGuffin... very nifty. And... I loved the inside references in the film. No less than three Marcus Brodie references in honour of the late Denholm Elliot, and Indy says the line. "I've got a bad feeling about this." I about fell out of my seat. And of course the aliens bearing a good resemblance to the Close Encounters aliens.) Three other Star Wars references: -When Indy's riding the jet engine, there's a shot of a group of prairie dogs very similar to certain robbed Tatooine midgets and the prairie dog cry sounds an awful lot like "Utini!" -Not so much Star Wars, but I counted the Wilhelm at least 2 or 3 teams... -My favorite. When Indy and Mutt are first meeting in the malt shop, Indy looks up to the bar to see the 2 Russians at the bar looking over his direction. If that isn't a direct homage to the Cantina scene then I don't know what is.
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Zinnos	Indy 4	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8564 05/24/08 8:31 AM	Ok, I saw it on Friday. It was...good. The opening was awkward, but the action was incredibly awesome, especially the Spalko/Mutt duel. BUt the alien 'saucer' was.....too supernatural for me. I'd rate the movie a...6 or 7 out of 10. Daala Count- 20 and counting **************************************************** Then the forlorn look left her face, replaced by a slight smile. "After all, everything I tell you is a lie." Jacen cleared his throat. "That is an interesting turn of phrase." ******************************************* "You'll send a skiff?" Caedus fumed. "Tenel Ka, you can't believe I'm going to surrender- to you or anyone else." "I am hoping you will," Tenel Ka's voice was sad but firm. "because it is going to break my heart to open fire on you." ********************************************* Hapans Rule All. ***********
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MrNomAnor		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7277 05/24/08 9:02 PM I heart Lumiya	So I feel like I should say all these awesome witty things and go on and on and on... but then people would get bored. I loved this film. Actually much more than what I thought. I mean, I loved the previous three films, but there was always this kind of incoherent train on thought in the back of my mind like, would Harrison Ford still have it are the Flannelled One and the Bearded One just trying to milk a cash cow will this work with aliens and just how much will an always awesome Cate Blanchett and John Hurt and Shia LaBeouf outshine a now relatively really old Harrison Ford and Karen Allen who were so goddamn awesome in the first three (or one in Allen's case) and ZOMG will this work with aliens and Russians after psionic powers. And I totally banished this thought from my mind from the opening to Elvis because all of this film worked. It worked. And I loved it. Alien skulls? AWESOME. Stereotypical Russkies led by the always awesome Cate Blanchett but still being stereotypical? I was tickled pink! Is this a cash cow? Yes! But I don't care! I was entertained and a lot of thought was put into this and everyone was excellent. And despite some recent stinkers, HARRISON FORD STILL HAS IT! I want everyone in this thread to cyber-slap me for being so ridiculous in even letting the thought enter my mind that he didn't. Do it. NOW. Karen Allen = AWESOME. (And I now subscribe to the idea that she is the MacGuffin! Love it!) This is this first Indy film I've had the chance to see on cinema, and the experience is definitely quite different than cranking out my DVDs or watching it on TV. And I think this is the type of old school film that is MADE for cinema. I too like some others here went with people who are old enough to have caught the first three on cinema and also some of my younger cousins who I don't think have actually seen any of the other films, but are old enough to understand and appreciate what was happening. And we all enjoyed it. I admit my suspension of disbelief almost suspended itself on a couple of occasions (I mean, Tarzan much? I only bought that because that monkey was so goddamn cute), but isn't that part and parcel with this sort of film. I really enjoyed the nostalgia aspect to it. From the opening to Elvis Presley and those kind of annoying but totally 1950s students (who I thought were actually going to get shot or run off the road) to the "greasers" fight (which is one of the most goddamn entertaining things I have seen EVER) to the whole commie/nuclear testing/Soviet badassery it was just a big welcome trippy time trip. Not to mention the nostalgia of the franchise itself. I was somewhat worried that they'd overdo the whole "20 years later" aspect with Indy being older and whatnot, but I do think this was handled realistically and respectfully. And despite the opinions of some here, I really appreciated the wedding at the end. Maybe I'm a sappy romantic, but I also love it when people in their sixties have a traditional wedding. It's badass. And kind of half conventional while being totally unconventional. Love it. I will admit that I do hope they continue the franchise with Shia LaBeouf, but it will definitely take a lot of time to imagine this without Harrison Ford (though he could still conceivably do number 5). So to sum up: I want to marry Cate Blanchett. She is all class, all badass (even when she plays totally sweet and nice roles) and this film only proves why she is one of my favourite actors EVER. I love that she ended up as the "stereotypical" Indy villain (megalomaniacal thirst for knowledge and conquest in the paranormal with zero respect = you get one or two moments of that knowledge and power only to have your skin melted and eyes erupt in flame because that knowledge and power is not for you), but also differentiated herself through great choices and movements. And she totally layed a smackdown on Harrison Ford and Shia LaBeouf while pregnant. That's awesome. Karen Allen = also awesome. I think some were dubious about her return to the franchise and indeed, as some have contended here, she may have just been a plot device or not needed or whatever. To you I say "Humbug." Go eat a brick or something. I do think she was needed and whether or not she really was a MacGuffin, I do feel that without her, this film would be lacking. Plus, without her Indy would not have a son and that would take away like, half this film's awesome lines. And I do feel that her scene with Indy in the mudsand/quicksand was one of the highlights. John Hurt is always fantastic whether he is giving birth to extraterrestrial babies or holding dead extraterrestrial skulls and babbling like a madman. The "help" he brought back to save Indy and Marion = rotfl 1950's vibe = Glorious, much more than I initially thought, and one of the unintended highlights for me. I also adored the semi-pseudo surreal backgrounds and environments in the film. Very akin to Peter Jackson's King Kong and a beautiful cinematic tool to capture this era. Shia LaBeouf = One of the better actors of my generation and a welcome addition to the franchise. I went into this film not knowing whether or not he was actually Indiana Jones the Third and was glad that he ended up being that person. This could've been handled in a crappy melodramatic way but was not. Fantastic. His comedic timing is excellent and he is very sympathetic as a character. Slight deduction of points for the Tarzan deal and the very badly CGI's splits sword fight with an also obviously CGIed Cate Blanchett. BOO! But that is more the problem of the CGI technicians than the actors. Slight addition of points for the CGI effects of the atomic bomb (the best bomb explosions since T3: Rise of the Machines, the graphics of which has been ripped off multiple times by Smallville) AND those scary ants AND because of that moment where Mutt is about to die by poison dart but Indy pops into frame all RAZZLE-DAZZLE and blows that dart right back into that native's mouth. Badass. Harrison Ford = Still able to f*k you up at age 65. Better whip-cracker than a lot of professional whip crackers. Slightly disappointed that the whip did not get that much screeentime, but that is okay because Harrison Ford is much better than the whip. This has not only washed the acrid taste of things like Hollywood Homicide* and Firewall from my mind, but also reinvigorated me in Harrison Ford as an actor post age 50. Thank you Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, thank you. One very dissapointed Indy fan here :-( Just got back from the cinema and I thought it was awful, Mr Lucas needs to stay away from stuff like that. Harrison Ford and Cate Blanchett were the best on screen by far. Who are you and what planet are you from? Just kidding.
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x wingurly		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1419 05/24/08 10:09 PM	Yep...what he said. My only "complaint" is the spaceshipe ending. Other than that. I was a happy customer
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Zinnos	Alien	#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8595 05/25/08 9:56 AM	The spaceship ending is my complaint too. It was just...weird. But the movie overall, after analyzing it the day after is probably a 7 out of 10. Daala Count- 20 and counting **************************************************** Then the forlorn look left her face, replaced by a slight smile. "After all, everything I tell you is a lie." Jacen cleared his throat. "That is an interesting turn of phrase." ******************************************* "You'll send a skiff?" Caedus fumed. "Tenel Ka, you can't believe I'm going to surrender- to you or anyone else." "I am hoping you will," Tenel Ka's voice was sad but firm. "because it is going to break my heart to open fire on you." ********************************************* Hapans Rule All. ***********
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BobaKareu		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 432 05/25/08 4:24 PM	Vixzter wrote: BobaKareu: well he wrote the screen play ;-) Actually, he didn't write the screenplay. David Koepp wrote it. The Complete Star Wars EU Journey: http://www.bobakareu.blogspot.com/
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Uliah		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3493 05/26/08 11:24 AM	Did none of you get the connection between Mutt & Indiana being the dog's name? I thought that was a good one & an early clue. Also love the "I have a bad feeling about this." reminiscent of Han in DN. "Bugs, why did it have to be bugs?" Love Shia Lebeouf. He'd make a great heir to the Indie adventures. Love Karen Allen/Marion. I think she's perfect for Indie. Loved it when he tells her all the other women had one thing in common; they weren't her. That would have done it for me. And, speaking from a strickly personal POV, I loved that they showed that two middle-aged people can find love & have a spicey relationship. Pretty much loved the whole middle-aged people can have a life too thing.
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Zinnos	Willie	#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8631 05/26/08 1:45 PM	I personally liked Willie, but Marion was cool. And I want them to make movies or a TV show starring Mutt. Daala Count- 20 and counting **************************************************** Then the forlorn look left her face, replaced by a slight smile. "After all, everything I tell you is a lie." Jacen cleared his throat. "That is an interesting turn of phrase." ******************************************* "You'll send a skiff?" Caedus fumed. "Tenel Ka, you can't believe I'm going to surrender- to you or anyone else." "I am hoping you will," Tenel Ka's voice was sad but firm. "because it is going to break my heart to open fire on you." ********************************************* Hapans Rule All. ***********
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max jaybo		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1849 05/26/08 5:32 PM	Actually, he didn't write the screenplay. David Koepp wrote it. Actually, George Lucas, along with about a dozen different writers (including Frank "Shawshank Redemption" Darabont) wrote the script, one by one. Koepp just wrote the final version that pulled everything written before him together in the best way for screen. Anyways... second viewing today. Loved it even more than the first time. I'm thinking of tossing my copy of Temple of Doom and insisting that Indy is still only a trilogy since Raiders, Crusade, and Kingdom are gonna be the ones I watch all the time. I can't entirely deny that my recent grumpiness is from a lack of getting laid.
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Acky12		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12104 05/26/08 6:18 PM I’m responsible for all this...	^ Plus, Lucas is the one that came up with the crystal skulls and the aliens and several other sequences and insisted that they be included in each draft.
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BobaKareu		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 436 05/26/08 6:22 PM	Saw it today, loved it. Easily the second best of the series. "I have a bad feeling about this" = GOLDEN. The Complete Star Wars EU Journey: http://www.bobakareu.blogspot.com/
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max jaybo		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1851 05/26/08 11:29 PM	Well he didn't entirely come up with them either, he just used them very well... there are real crystal skulls (of sorts), and there are Nazca lines, and there were people who bound their infants' heads to elongate them for "honoring the gods", and the whole thing about how the Mayans had some technologies and idea's before the eastern world... that's all a part of a real (crackpot) theory that aliens visited South America and influenced their culture. ... man I know a lot about weird shit. Anyone else catch that the thing Indy examined "10 years ago" was most certainly the infamous thingamabob found in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947? (or have I just proven that I wasted a lot of time in high school?) I can't entirely deny that my recent grumpiness is from a lack of getting laid.
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