I'm still not over how Daala just popped up in Revelation and all the sudden she's the leader of GA a book and a half later
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Jacen's Vision
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 salsashark2004 |
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thebentwin |
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leia is tall thats new to me!
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LovetheDarkSide |
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Posts: 15 05/15/08 6:08 PM |
Yeah, I don't think it's Daala either, but thought I'd throw in another viewpoint.
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Uliah |
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leia is tall thats new to me!Bentwin, are you being obtuse on purpose?  I never said
Leia was tall. The woman in the vision is tall.
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salsashark2004 |
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Posts: 34 05/15/08 10:34 PM |
Maybe she was wearing stilts
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LovetheDarkSide |
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Posts: 22 05/19/08 3:16 PM |
I can't believe I missed the reference to the Mine vision in Invincible, but now I'm wondering what it means now that we know that Luke is the one say
to say "Mine!". I checked Tatooine Ghost, and it's Luke's eyes that Leia sees. In Tempest, it's a familiar voice that Jacen hears, and he
thinks it is his own. And in Invincible, Luke actually says the words, with eyes blazing as white hot suns. What are your thoughts on what this means? Does the
vision appear in any other books?
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Jaina SoIo |
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I must have missed the "mine" reference. Can you elaborate?
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LovetheDarkSide |
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Posts: 23 05/19/08 3:44 PM |
Before they launch Jaina towards Nickle One, Jaina questioned Luke about sacrificing lives since they wouldn't have enough support. Luke turned on her,
with eyes buring like white suns and said something like "their lives are my responsibility, not yours, Jedi Solo. Mine....Mine!" I completely missed
it, too, but rereading I see that it is clearly meant to be the Mine vision. I've always paid particular attention to that vision, so I couldn't
believe I had missed it. Must have been reading too fast.
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salsashark2004 |
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Posts: 63 05/19/08 3:53 PM |
When a Jedi Master says it's his, well by God it is his
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Posts: 24 05/19/08 4:03 PM |
But why would Leia and Jacen both have visions about him saying that? And why would they both sense darkness in the vision? Jacen interpretted the vision to be
a vision of a Sith Dynasty. Leia interpretted it as Luke being in danger. How do those visions fit in with this scene?
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patchworkz7 |
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LovetheDarkSide wrote: Because originally the scene was meant to foreshadow the DARK EMPIRE storyline where Luke goes dark when Denning wrote it in Tatooine Ghost.
He reuses the same lines here, probably for effect, although what the intent was is up for grabs. Some think this is foreshadowing Luke going dark again, and may have been one of the many seeds Denning planted, or it may never amount to anything if LFL doesn't sign off on a "dark Luke" story. Or maybe it was just a nice easter egg and callback. |
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thebentwin |
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Posts: 365 05/20/08 4:43 PM |
maybe luke is feeling pressured and wants to show leadership or he knows something fundamenal about the force and the galaxy no one else has figured out yet
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ANDY 000 |
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Maybe he's worked out something about the comming darkness, like it can't be avoided.
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thebentwin |
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Posts: 408 05/26/08 6:23 PM |
thats a good point but i think that luke is shouldering his responsibility as caretaker of the galaxy
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DarthRaulDuke |
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Posts: 4 05/26/08 6:49 PM |
See, this is one more thing that irked me about this book. It felt incredibly rushed, like they were in a hurry to get it over with and get on to the next big
thing. If Dennig had gone deeper into the emotional motivations of the characters (Tahiri anyone?) and gone more into whether or not this vision was
manipulated, I'm betting the page count would have been increased by at least 100.
"There is no one more helpless, irresponsible, and depraved than a man in the midst of an ether binge."
"The jig was up, they'd found me. Oh well, plenty of good books have been written in prison." |
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thebentwin |
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Posts: 415 05/27/08 10:13 AM |
thats not his style we have to debate about that
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Uliah |
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Posts: 3510 05/27/08 12:49 PM |
I wondered thrue the whole series hy exactly we never got Tahiri's POV, until the very end. I think there was a reason for that & it was revealed in
that scene where she gets angy at Caedus when she realizes no matter how much time flowing they do, they can't change Anakin's fate. I think that was
the whole motivation behind Tahiri's willingness to do what Jacen wanted. And I think it was the reason for Jacen's 5-yr journey & a big part of
the reason for his subsequent fall: the realization that no matter what he did,he could bring Anakin back. I think it drove his fears for Allana & his need
to protect her at all costs.
One of the things that I'm taking from this series is that Jacen was so much more like Anakin Skywalker than he ever realized. And he's completely blind to the parallels: that he & his grandfather were both willing to commit dark acts to protect those they loved. |
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Posts: 60 05/27/08 5:15 PM |
I wondered thrue the whole series hy exactly we never got Tahiri's POV, until the very end. I think there was a reason for that & it was revealed in that scene where she gets angy at Caedus when she realizes no matter how much time flowing they do, they can't change Anakin's fate. I think that was the whole motivation behind Tahiri's willingness to do what Jacen wanted. And I think it was the reason for Jacen's 5-yr journey & a big part of the reason for his subsequent fall: the realization that no matter what he did,he could bring Anakin back. I think it drove his fears for Allana & his need to protect her at all costs.Uliah, I think the paragraph above is both more articulate and a better reason for Jacen and Tahiri to go dark than anything we got throughout this entire series. I think you're right, in that Denning was heavily hinting this in both Dark Nest and Invincible. I just wish he had actually spelled it out in the beginning so the idea could have been developed over the course of the series. In my opinion, ambiguous storylines or plot points are never very good, especially when it comes to defining the central conflict of a nine book series. |
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Uliah |
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Posts: 3522 05/27/08 6:32 PM |
If that was the intention, it was a little too amiguously written. It could have been written without having to be completely spelled out for the fans
yet with enough clarification that we pretty much understood that this was an underlying reason.
I'm basing this on Jacen's thoughts when he told Tahiri the truth, on how he named his ship to honor Anakin, and the interesting opinion he had of Anakin after he became Caedus. Namely that he couldn't remember why he'd ever admired the brat. So telling for me. |
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AladelAngel |
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Posts: 61 05/27/08 10:05 PM |
I think a pretty good argument can be made that it was Denning's intention, it just wasn't picked up by the other authors.
There are some good hints in DN and in Denning's LotF entries. Jacen tells Ben that he didn't find what he was looking for in The Joiner King, he names his SD Anakin Solo in Tempest, gets emotional about seeing Anakin die again when flow-walking with Tahiri in Inferno and tells her the past cannot be changed in Invincible. Its just unfortunate that there are so many holes in this story. Like other posters on this board have said, its really making the fans dissect and interpert the entire storyline all in an attempt to figure out what the authors were trying to tell us. I'm basing this on Jacen's thoughts when he told Tahiri the truth, on how he named his ship to honor Anakin, and the interesting opinion he had of Anakin after he became Caedus. Namely that he couldn't remember why he'd ever admired the brat. So telling for me.One thing I think LotF did very well was give the readers an inside perspective on falling to the dark side. Caedus not remembering why he liked his brother and even his sort of offhand remark that he didn't like the fishy people anymore are good examples of the changes that occurred within his personality over this series. |
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